What Socialism is NOT

@spruce112358 said
So he can shelter the homeless for at least 2026-2028 and still be ready for 2030. Cool! That works. 😆

No, like I said, he leagally owns it, he wants the property neat and clean, empty, till then. YOu think the governmetn can take away his rights to do so? So, Spruce.....my kids are gone, wife and I ina. six bedroom home, We only use one of them. Hope our daughter will get this house when we move to retirement home or die. My grandkids can een hand it down to their kids. My life plan. Did it all myself, and I contribute to charities along the way.I worked hard for all this.
Then president Spruce comes along with VP Mamdani and takes it all away, because they need 5 bedrooms for god knows who???????????? Spruce? You gonna maybe come back down to earth with your posts?

@AverageJoe1 said
No, like I said, he leagally owns it, he wants the property neat and clean, empty, till then. YOu think the governmetn can take away his rights to do so? So, Spruce.....my kids are gone, wife and I ina. six bedroom home, We only use one of them. Hope our daughter will get this house when we move to retirement home or die. My grandkids can een hand it down to their ki ...[text shortened]... oms for god knows who???????????? Spruce? You gonna maybe come back down to earth with your posts?

Kelo vs City of New London. We can take your house because Republicans say we can. 😆

But we don't want to. Look, it's up to you, @AverageJoe1. Solve the homeless problem in Georgia and there won't be any need for your 5 extra bedrooms! 😆

Do nothing, and sure, your house will still be there. But maybe some of the homeless impress you with their industry and you give them jobs? Maybe they work in the garden and get THAT mess straightened out (since Juan and Pablo are gone... sad!)

I see this as a win-win all around. 😆

@spruce112358 said
Kelo vs City of New London (upheld by the Supreme Court) made it BLINDINGLY clear that, in the United States of America, YOUR PROPERTY can be SEIZED and given to another entity "because that's what gummint wants."

@AverageJoe1, maybe you shouldn't have cheered this MAGA agenda so hard!?!? 'Cause OH SH** HERE COME THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY ACTIONS!!!!! 😆 😆 😆

But I'm ...[text shortened]... personal goods and most of your other businesses, etc. etc. You'll still be rich - stop fretting. 😆

No, no, no....Bernie thinks that $250k is rich. It is all in the eyes of the beholder

I am quite aware of eminent domaine. .That is not what you speak of. But yes, the government can all meet at the capitol and declare a maxist economy if they want to/. And, we would all have to live it. I dont get your post, your point.

@spruce112358 said
Kelo vs City of New London. We can take your house because Republicans say we can. 😆

But we don't want to. Look, it's up to you, @AverageJoe1. Solve the homeless problem in Georgia and there won't be any need for your 5 extra bedrooms! 😆

Do nothing, and sure, your house will still be there. But maybe some of the homeless impress you with their industry and you giv ...[text shortened]... ss straightened out (since Juan and Pablo are gone... sad!)

I see this as a win-win all around. 😆

I gave you my 'need'. To grow its value and to pass it on to my family. AND, it is mine, I built it, and I want to live there till I die.
Would they be using my kitchen? You are such a turkey on this. Tell us about Obama's travails this week. He has commmitted treason. Warch for it.

Kamala just anounced another trade deal...with Japan! Remember a few months ago that I told you neophytes that she only used the tariff bluster for her REAL goals? To Make DEALS!!!!!! That is what she does!

@spruce112358 said
Kelo vs City of New London. We can take your house because Republicans say we can. 😆

But we don't want to. Look, it's up to you, @AverageJoe1. Solve the homeless problem in Georgia and there won't be any need for your 5 extra bedrooms! 😆

Do nothing, and sure, your house will still be there. But maybe some of the homeless impress you with their industry and you giv ...[text shortened]... ss straightened out (since Juan and Pablo are gone... sad!)

I see this as a win-win all around. 😆

Spruce, this obsevatin will clear the air. You write about all these 'rights; natural law, morality, blah blah
But note that you also said that the government can take our house if they want to . That is quite correct. But you have intimated in your 20 posts that these people have a RIGHT to, right now, to take over my house. They do not. They WOULD if the govt said they could. I would have to give up my rights to the house. All correct.
So all of your posts are wrong. The constitution does NOT say that I MUST provide these pelple with anything. Can't believe I did not mention this before, I guess because I would hav thought it obvious.
So your stuff is hereby diluted. Sorry. 😕


PS: You'd said I might not 'need' the 5 bedrooms. WHO would have decided if I needed them or not? Uhhhh, the 5 people knocking on my door?? 😆

@AverageJoe1 said
Spruce, this obsevatin will clear the air. You write about all these 'rights; natural law, morality, blah blah
But note that you also said that the government can take our house if they want to . That is quite correct. But you have intimated in your 20 posts that these people have a RIGHT to, right now, to take over my house. They do not. They WOULD if the govt ...[text shortened]... rooms. WHO would have decided if I needed them or not? Uhhhh, the 5 people knocking on my door?? 😆

The Constitution says that we have constituted a government to protect all our rights equally. Not ‘to protect rich people’s property rights and that’s it.’

Nossir. 😆

You don’t have much left to stand on. I know, I know - you’ve gotten very used to ‘special treatment.’ You are used to a gummint that only protects property rights and nothing else. Weird.

But why would people with no property support such a gummint? Ask yourself that for a moment. They get nothing out of it. Reflect wisely about how many of ‘them’ there might be! 😆

@spruce112358 said
The Constitution says that we have constituted a government to protect all our rights equally. Not ‘to protect rich people’s property rights and that’s it.’

Nossir. 😆

You don’t have much left to stand on. I know, I know - you’ve gotten very used to ‘special treatment.’ You are used to a gummint that only protects property rights and nothing else. Weird.

[b]But w ...[text shortened]... for a moment. They get nothing out of it. Reflect wisely about how many of ‘them’ there might be! 😆

Your previous posts are saying that there is Natural Law governing us all. My granny read that, and said.."Is not Natural Law no more than that of the African plains, referered to as the The Law of the Jungle?" THAT, Spruce, is Natural Law. Eat and steal what you want to, and sleep where you want to. You are saying that all humans have a right to the lives and produce of other people. If I have a potato garden, a hungry person has a right to my potatoes. The Lion hs a right to eat the newborn gazelles. You have us living in jungle relationships.
So that's it from AvJoe. No other way to apprise you of common sense.

@AverageJoe1 said
Your previous posts are saying that there is Natural Law governing us all. My granny read that, and said.."Is not Natural Law no more than that of the African plains, referered to as the The Law of the Jungle?" THAT, Spruce, is Natural Law. Eat and steal what you want to, and sleep where you want to. You are saying that all humans have a right to the lives and produ ...[text shortened]... in jungle relationships.
So that's it from AvJoe. No other way to apprise you of common sense.

We gave up on the Law of the Jungle when we decided to be civilized.

Your problem is, you want the benefits and protections of civilization, but you don’t want to pay the costs. You want “free stuff” basically. You think you are entitled to protection when others get nothing.

I’m here to tell you: you have to pay up. 😆

No free stuff for you @AverageJoe1!

@spruce112358 said
We gave up on the Law of the Jungle when we decided to be civilized.

Your problem is, you want the benefits and protections of civilization, but you don’t want to pay the costs. You want “free stuff” basically. You think you are entitled to protection when others get nothing.

I’m here to tell you: you have to pay up. 😆

No free stuff for you @AverageJoe1!

Everyone has equal protection, Provided by constitution. When I choose a certain way of life, and another chooses a diff way of life, we have the same protections which you libs so dearly cling to. The govt is your paaaaaarrrrtner.
My life has me doing everything right, reaping all of the rewards for what I do. It worked!! The other guy might make choices which lead him in another direction, so, my fortunes are better than his.
Somewhere in all this you say that i have a duty to this guy.

Please explain, I am surely missing it.


And, hey.....you mention civilized, as you stand preaching on your soap box in the town square. There is nothing civilized about that guy taking potatoes out of my private garden. Do you have a different def of stealing than do other people?

@AverageJoe1 said
Everyone has equal protection, Provided by constitution. When I choose a certain way of life, and another chooses a diff way of life, we have the same protections which you libs so dearly cling to. The govt is your paaaaaarrrrtner.
My life has me doing everything right, reaping all of the rewards for what I do. It worked!! The other guy might make choices which lead ...[text shortened]... ng potatoes out of my private garden. Do you have a different def of stealing than do other people?

You present very novel and very droll ideas! I think you must make stuff up. Who ever said someone can steal your potatoes? No one ever suggested that. 😆

I said (and it is a fact) that government can requisition your property to prevent people dying of thirst, hunger or exposure.

Yes, yes, you work hard (maybe). Maybe you've done everything right. Or maybe you were just lucky. That's irrelevant to my point. Did you "earn" the right to be born? Since your birth have you "earned" additional rights? No, you have not; but it doesn't matter anyway.

So go ahead - explain what I am telling you. See if you get it this time. 😆

@spruce112358 said
You present very novel and very droll ideas! I think you must make stuff up. Who ever said someone can steal your potatoes? No one ever suggested that. 😆

I said (and it is a fact) that government can requisition your property to prevent people dying of thirst, hunger or exposure.

Yes, yes, you work hard (maybe). Maybe you've done everything right. Or maybe you wer ...[text shortened]... oesn't matter anyway.

So go ahead - explain what I am telling you. See if you get it this time. 😆

Yes, you indeed said if someone is hungry that they have a 'right' ( I think you said the constitution gave them this right) to take food from someone who has food. You tried to deflect to what is 'moral', which is laughable. Do another thread on morality and i can explain why that is laughable, given that the guy with a potato patch already gives 10% of his wealth to charities. You also say the guy has more bedrooms in his house than he 'needs (your word)', pure Marx.

Secondly, you are correct,that the government can requisition whatever they want to. Everyone on the forum knows that.zzzzzzzz
So, what is your point? Changing subject, are you? Let's skip this one. Ridiculous, and yes, irrelevant.

What a queer third paragraph, about how someone acquires their possessions. Then you ask if I earn additional rights? I do not know that that means,,,,,,or, why you ask it.

Pitiful. Actually I have not explained anything, you give me nothing to explain.
Why did Spruce ask if I earn my right to be born?
Spruce loses it ..........

@AverageJoe1 said
Yes, you indeed said if someone is hungry that they have a 'right' ( I think you said the constitution gave them this right) to take food from someone who has food. You tried to deflect to what is 'moral', which is laughable. Do another thread on morality and i can explain why that is laughable, given that the guy with a potato patch already gives 10% of his wealth to ...[text shortened]... nothing to explain.
Why did Spruce ask if I earn my right to be born?
Spruce loses it ..........

So you concede. 😆

Ok. It is pitiful that you flailed around this long before going down in flames. 😆

@spruce112358 said
So you concede. 😆

Ok. It is pitiful that you flailed around this long before going down in flames. 😆

Only you and I know........

Hey mr socialist....while you and I were spending our time on this today, the market is up 1%. So, if you know someone with One Million invested in the stock market, they made $10,000 while they were playing on the glf course.
Please to do a thread on this. Title it...."Man Makes Money While Golfing!" Then, your first paragraph would be along the lines of "This should not be allowed", and then suggest how you woudl change that part of our society.

We are just having fun here, this is ony AvJoe.

@AverageJoe1 said
Only you and I know........

Hey mr socialist....while you and I were spending our time on this today, the market is up 1%. So, if you know someone with One Million invested in the stock market, they made $10,000 while they were playing on the glf course.
Please to do a thread on this. Title it...."Man Makes Money While Golfing!" Then, your first paragraph would ...[text shortened]... st how you woudl change that part of our society.

We are just having fun here, this is ony AvJoe.

What's 'making a thread' worth to ya? 😆

@spruce112358 said
What's 'making a thread' worth to ya? 😆

Worth not having to thresh 8-paragraph thoughtless links from Sue?
Do you libs really think that average posters like myself read all the links? And she wrote somewhere that Tulsi was saying things to distract. Does she not realize that all that Tulsi said today.... ( I relished every minute...where did Trump FIND these perfect people, Tulsi and Caroline Leavitt)....that all that Tulsi did was to direct the press, and us, mainly you libs, to the unclassified documents that she simply was relating for the news conference???? Facts?
Do y'all have people like ANY of the people we have? Who?