What's important

@Bish said
How do we decide what's important to us? Is it different for everyone? Not what we decide is important - that is obviously different. But "how" we decide.

I mentioned in a different thread - "people" have been around about 300,000 years. For us to be here today - us here in this forum I mean - all of our direct lineage ancestors for 15,000 generations survived somehow long e ...[text shortened]... gical maybe. If this is just biologically interesting to our brains. Trying to make sense of it all.

"Why is that so interesting to people? Why do people spend any of their limited 70-80 years thinking about this and arguing about this? It doesn't effect anyone
here"


why defend trans people or why attack trans people? one of them involves empathy. the other one?don't know, having dung instead of brain and heart?

@Bish said
This is good.

You say "lgbtq pissing on the rights of others and forced agenda put on others"

I asked how do we decide what's important to us?

Pissing on the rights of others is important to me too - so we can agree on that one.

In my life no lgbtq has ever pissed on my rights - have they done that to you?

White male in America (me too - its awesome) - how has a ...[text shortened]... ame an important issue for you.

We are getting somewhere here folks - we do have some agreement.

Do you have children, a wife, are there any areas that effect you that you feel the lgbtq community has caused, conservatives, which this isn’t about at all? Are you gay or straight?

@Zahlanzi said
"Why is that so interesting to people? Why do people spend any of their limited 70-80 years thinking about this and arguing about this? It doesn't effect anyone
here"


why defend trans people or why attack trans people? one of them involves empathy. the other one?don't know, having dung instead of brain and heart?

Dumb and biased

@Zahlanzi said
"Why is that so interesting to people? Why do people spend any of their limited 70-80 years thinking about this and arguing about this? It doesn't effect anyone
here"


why defend trans people or why attack trans people? one of them involves empathy. the other one?don't know, having dung instead of brain and heart?

Is anyone telling lgbtq they can’t be what they are, and -lease don’t say a woman which can go both ways but one is a belief and not a fact or proven in any way.

@Zahlanzi said
"Why is that so interesting to people? Why do people spend any of their limited 70-80 years thinking about this and arguing about this? It doesn't effect anyone
here"


why defend trans people or why attack trans people? one of them involves empathy. the other one?don't know, having dung instead of brain and heart?

Well yes. There are two sides to the story and they are not the same. Hard to argue with that 🙂

But arguing here with people who will never change their minds is not exactly "defending" anyone. Its debating on a chess website. Nothing sacrificed, nothing gained, nothing lost.

I agree that is it emphatic. One or two posts - a half dozen should cover our opinions. We can all have our say.

But 494 posts? That is what I was curious about. 🙂

@mike69 said
Do you have children, a wife, are there any areas that effect you that you feel the lgbtq community has caused, conservatives, which this isn’t about at all? Are you gay or straight?

Not sure that you are asking Mike. Maybe rewrite that first sentence.

The last question is the crux of the matter isn't it though. How does who I love matter as we discuss what's important to us. What do you think you are going to learn about me by me answering that question? Do gay people decide what is important to them differently?

I ask - why is this (or any) issue important to you? Well not you - all of us. How do you (we) decide.

How do we decide what's important to us? Is it different for everyone?

@Bish said
Well yes. There are two sides to the story and they are not the same. Hard to argue with that 🙂

But arguing here with people who will never change their minds is not exactly "defending" anyone. Its debating on a chess website. Nothing sacrificed, nothing gained, nothing lost.

I agree that is it emphatic. One or two posts - a half dozen should cover our opinions. We can all have our say.

But 494 posts? That is what I was curious about. 🙂

"But arguing here with people who will never change their minds is not exactly "defending" anyone. Its debating on a chess website."

why do people play hockey. it's cold on an ice rink, and the puck is too small, also it's too violent
why do people watch soap operas, they're dumb? why do people watch wrestling, it's fake.

it's entertainment, you can't argue the value of one entertainment over another or over doing nothing instead.

@mike69 said
Is anyone telling lgbtq they can’t be what they are, and -lease don’t say a woman which can go both ways but one is a belief and not a fact or proven in any way.

my greatest wish is you some day forget you're supposed to be a homophobic ashole in private and you get fired over sharing too much.

@Bish said
Not sure that you are asking Mike. Maybe rewrite that first sentence.

The last question is the crux of the matter isn't it though. How does who I love matter as we discuss what's important to us. What do you think you are going to learn about me by me answering that question? Do gay people decide what is important to them differently?

I ask - why is this (or any) issue i ...[text shortened]... How do you (we) decide.

How do we decide what's important to us? Is it different for everyone?

Do you have children, a wife, are there any areas that effect you negatively that you feel the lgbtq community has caused, how about conservatives. Are you gay or straight? This matters because it helps me to understand your mind frame and what would be important or not to you to understand what you write. No, people that think differently in the lgbtq and shunned, it’s a hive mentally.

@Zahlanzi said
"But arguing here with people who will never change their minds is not exactly "defending" anyone. Its debating on a chess website."

why do people play hockey. it's cold on an ice rink, and the puck is too small, also it's too violent
why do people watch soap operas, they're dumb? why do people watch wrestling, it's fake.

it's entertainment, you can't argue the value of one entertainment over another or over doing nothing instead.

So you are saying the extended conversation is not because of a sense of "importance" of the subject matter - as much as personal entertainment.

I think that is probably exactly right for most of us. Well said.

Maybe the OP was a bit misguided. 🤔

@Zahlanzi said
my greatest wish is you some day forget you're supposed to be a homophobic ashole in private and you get fired over sharing too much.

Such pre judging, have you read anything I’ve written over the last few days to actually understand what I have issues with. Not that it would matter to you, you seem to be a typical liberal racist clown. Is there free speech or is it only when it agrees with you? How much conservative hate do you see here and I work for myself.

@mike69 said
Do you have children, a wife, are there any areas that effect you negatively that you feel the lgbtq community has caused, how about conservatives. Are you gay or straight? This matters because it helps me to understand your mind frame and what would be important or not to you to understand what you write. No, people that think differently in the lgbtq and shunned, it’s a hive mentally.

I am pretty sure the lgbtq community has never effected me negatively. But I can't say 100% - who can.

There are many things conservatives in the US and Wisconsin state government have done that have effected me negatively. I live in Wisconsin and was a hard working State employee (IT Systems Analyst) until I retired. My wife and daughter are teachers. Its a bloodbath here. Not your fault.

On the other hand - I agree with many conservative ideas when it comes to economics. Its the social part that hard to understand.

There used to be a conservative idea - balance the budget. I still like that one.

And don't come back with the liberals are no better. Economically - no kidding. Not a fan of any political party at this point. Alas this country has lost our way. 😢

Biden and Harris? Really - that is best we could do?

Hillary Clinton? Jesus wept.

How do you feel about Nikki Haley? That might be a decent 2028 compromise.

@mike69 said
Try reality, it’s not that bad and look within with your own actions taken into account.

MY actions. Right. So whatever the hell you are talking about, whatever that is, is ten times worse than Trump getting convicted of 34 felonies or 100 million dollar fine for defamation or getting his Uni and Charity shut down by the government for PROVEN fraud.

Or stealing HUNDREDS of TS and ABOVE TS docs and storing them all over his Mar A Lago basement and outside storage units.

Go back home folks nothing to see here.

Besides sucking in hundreds of millions in crypto coin scam going right into his bank accounts AS A SITTING POTUS. Nothing wrong with THAT either, right? SCREW the emolument clause.

Attacking Harvard, Columbia, not releasing Garcia for over TWO MONTHS in spite of a UNANIMOUS ruling by SCOTUS to get his ass back to the states so they did, only to arrest him when he got back with trafficing charges and that was filed May 15th and he was sent to jail in El Salvador on May 9.

Then pushing the bill a Nobel Prize recipient said was written by 'Sinister Zombies' cutting Medicaid 880 billion, Snap by 300 billion and now talking about cutting into MEDICARE also.

All so they can give huge tax cut BRIBES to billionaires and maybe 100 bucks off to the poor. Yep, SO equitable.

@spruce112358 said
Picking battles is why I'm so fixated on the idea that EVERYONE is OBLIGATED to protect everyone else's rights equally.

In principle and in theory, yes, I agree that rights must be secured for all, otherwise no one is safe from a tyrannical govt. In practice, one must choose one's battles wisely, especially when confronted with something as monstrous and well-organized as a fascist state with secret police. One has only limited resources and opportunities; one person might be able to shelter Anne Frank in a secret apartment, another might be able to smuggle a bomb in a suitcase next to the Führer, another might print pamphlets and inform people what is going on in death camps right outside of town. One cannot realistically expect from everyone self-sacrificing heroism on a grand scale like Sophie Scholl or Claus von Stauffenberg; those were acts of supererogation, for which they paid with their lives, and no one has a moral obligation to go that far (otherwise it wouldn't be supererogation). So the decision, which battles to fight and how to do so, will be specific to each person, how he sees his own resources and opportunities.

@Bish said
I am pretty sure the lgbtq community has never effected me negatively. But I can't say 100% - who can.

There are many things conservatives in the US and Wisconsin state government have done that have effected me negatively. I live in Wisconsin and was a hard working State employee (IT Systems Analyst) until I retired. My wife and daughter are teachers. Its a bloodbath here. ...[text shortened]... y Clinton? Jesus wept.

How do you feel about Nikki Haley? That might be a decent 2028 compromise.

Thank you, this is nothing political for me with the exception that the far left liberals who were in power and running things strengthened the lgbtq people propped them up and allowed them to do what they wish with society for political reasons, not logical or fair for all involved.

I’ve already typed all of this but let’s say your daughter was in elementary or middle school sports and forced to dress, undress, and use the rest room with fully intact men and boys because they think personality and putting a dress on or not, and saying their a woman or girl makes them one, feelings?

Now these same boys are now on the court or field competing against your daughter, is that fair with all the differences that come before and after puberty just being male? Remember your daughter also worked and trained very hard to earn her spot on the girls team, very proud and hopes someday to go to college and compete except now she isn’t on her school team because boys that Think their girls with much different biology have taken her spot? How would you feel as a parent also knowing that what you believe doesn’t make it true in any way? There’s more topics to come, but this is easier and gives more attention to each topic that they deserve, and I’m busy.