@Bish saidActually your wrong, but not 100% of the time like anything else. Your children learn from you and your examples and guidance, and preparing them for adulthood properly. If you yourself don’t know how you can’t teach and devolve these traits in your children. You seem to put a lot of time thinking about pointless things and unproven theories that you pass off at facts.
This point is factually incorrect.
"weak parents will create weak children"
It's not a matter of opinion - the science is there. There have been any number of twin studies starting in the 1800's (when the term nature vs nurture was coined).
Except in cases of abuse or extreme poverty - extreme anything - children grow up as they will. Adopted twins - split up at birth ...[text shortened]... parents will create weak children" - not true
"free will is an illusion" - completely my opinion
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@Bish saidCan you tell me some, like for example because someone is a twin does that mean their also not an individual with individual thoughts, abilities, goals and things of importance to them? Does it mean every life situation they went through were exactly the same, life altering experiences?
Yes
@mike69 saidWhat I said was except in cases of abuse or extreme poverty - extreme anything - children grow up as they will. Adopted twins - split up at birth - raised by different families in different religious, social, economical environments, turn out remarkably the same.
Can you tell me some, like for example because someone is a twin does that mean their also not an individual with individual thoughts, abilities, goals and things of importance to them? Does it mean every life situation they went through were exactly the same, life altering experiences?
It's just true, I don't know why. If you are interested in twin studies read one.
I am saying this is what the science says, you are saying you don't agree. That's fine.
I am not going to debate that scientific studies since the 1800's hold a little more weight than what you thought 20 seconds after reading my post.
Think what you want Mike - I have not tried to change your mind about anything.
I try to be open-minded about what I read and try to be a life-long learner. Doesn't always work - but I try,
@Bish saidYou’re passive aggressive, answer to my points and if you disagree explain why, prove me wrong and actually think about what I’m saying here and if it’s logical and true. Look at all the people and studies that think there are hundreds of genders and they are interchangeable as to how someone feels and believes overriding every other study that says different along with the majority of people.
What I said was except in cases of abuse or extreme poverty - extreme anything - children grow up as they will. Adopted twins - split up at birth - raised by different families in different religious, social, economical environments, turn out remarkably the same.
It's just true, I don't know why. If you are interested in twin studies read one.
I am saying this is what th ...[text shortened]... be open-minded about what I read and try to be a life-long learner. Doesn't always work - but I try,
@mike69 saidYou are not the first person in my life that has told me I can be passive aggressive. So yes, I will think about that one.
You’re passive aggressive, answer to my points and if you disagree explain why, prove me wrong and actually think about what I’m saying here and if it’s logical and true. Look at all the people and studies that think there are hundreds of genders and they are interchangeable as to how someone feels and believes overriding every other study that says different along with the majority of people.
And I will try to see your point. Send me a link to the studies that think there are hundreds of genders and they are interchangeable and I will read some of the studies tonight after dinner. As long as the links are available to the public. Some of the university ones are harder to get to.
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@Bish saidHeh... thank you. Most people I know who are important to me know it, I'm not shy in expressing my appreciation to them. I can't understand why some people have a hard time expressing simple happiness that some people are alive and important to them. No time like the present and we don't know when tomorrow won't come.
This post has free will written all over it. Maybe.
I do know that this is exactly what I look for in friends and relationships. I'll bet you a ridiculous amount of friends - too many to keep up with.
@Bish saidI got that off an lgbtq website that said there were over 600 genders. It’s called gender theory studies because it’s not fact but a social construct. Look at how m any of these people are autistic or other forms on mental deficiencies and combined issues. This also follows closely to the normal amount of suicide rates for these and not as sue says people are being mean to them, they have issues to start with, combine autistic people with adhd and also see the numbers go up.
You are not the first person in my life that has told me I can be passive aggressive. So yes, I will think about that one.
And I will try to see your point. Send me a link to the studies that think there are hundreds of genders and they are interchangeable and I will read some of the studies tonight after dinner. As long as the links are available to the public. Some of the university ones are harder to get to.
@mike69 saidAnd I constantly tell you that you are wrong, but you stubbornly persist in this belief.
You’re passive aggressive, answer to my points and if you disagree explain why, prove me wrong and actually think about what I’m saying here and if it’s logical and true. Look at all the people and studies that think there are hundreds of genders and they are interchangeable as to how someone feels and believes overriding every other study that says different along with the majority of people.
I believe your problem is either that you simply don't believe them without talking to them, or that you simply believe that you are better than them, and so it doesn't matter what they really think. You want to be listened to, but you don't give them the same consideration. You think you know it all, which is not really a good look, especially when you don't.
@mike69 saidCheers Mike - I am out of this thread now. You can carry on with the Misfit Queen or let the thread die. I am surprised it went this far.
I got that off an lgbtq website that said there were over 600 genders. It’s called gender theory studies because it’s not fact but a social construct. Look at how m any of these people are autistic or other forms on mental deficiencies and combined issues. This also follows closely to the normal amount of suicide rates for these and not as sue says people are being mean to ...[text shortened]... m, they have issues to start with, combine autistic people with adhd and also see the numbers go up.
Don't bother replying to me - I won't respond.
Autism is not a mental deficiency. The idea of talking about suicide with you makes me think I will get banned from the forums. I know "for a fact" no one wants that 😢
Be well my friend in debate - we will see you in another thread soon. 🤝
@mike69 saidI missed this. Amazing how far some people will go for attention. This is beyond the pale.
I got that off an lgbtq website that said there were over 600 genders. It’s called gender theory studies because it’s not fact but a social construct. Look at how m any of these people are autistic or other forms on mental deficiencies and combined issues. This also follows closely to the normal amount of suicide rates for these and not as sue says people are being mean to ...[text shortened]... m, they have issues to start with, combine autistic people with adhd and also see the numbers go up.
Why am I still shocked, after all this time, how horrible some people can be?
@Suzianne saidYou make no sense, where am I wrong, and prove it. Most are young when this happens, and the average life expectancy is 20 years less than people without it at 58. Do you have these, I do and in the highest group, I know how it feels inside.
I missed this. Amazing how far some people will go for attention. This is beyond the pale.
Why am I still shocked, after all this time, how horrible some people can be?
@Suzianne saidOk sue
And I constantly tell you that you are wrong, but you stubbornly persist in this belief.
I believe your problem is either that you simply don't believe them without talking to them, or that you simply believe that you are better than them, and so it doesn't matter what they really think. You want to be listened to, but you don't give them the same consideration. You think you know it all, which is not really a good look, especially when you don't.
@Suzianne saidMethods
I missed this. Amazing how far some people will go for attention. This is beyond the pale.
Why am I still shocked, after all this time, how horrible some people can be?
This study compared gender identity, gender expression and gender dysphoria (GD) in trans young people with and without autistic traits. Baseline data from a cohort study of trans children and adolescents who first attended the Royal Children's Hospital Gender Service (Victoria, Australia) between February 2017 and January 2020 were analysed cross-sectionally. Autistic traits were assessed via the Social Responsiveness Scale-2. Gender was assessed using tools that measure gender identity, social transition, GD, body dissatisfaction, voice dysphoria, and chest dysphoria.
Findings
522 participants were included, of whom 239 (45.8😵 exhibited autistic traits (SRS total T-score ≥60). Those with and without autistic traits were similar in their age (mean (SD) age 14.0 (2.9) and 13.1 (3.6) years respectively) and gender identity: the majority (73.7% (n = 174) and 70.5% (n = 198) respectively) identified in a binary way. Higher rates of social transition (specifically, changing pronouns) were noted in those with autistic traits (Difference in proportion 11.7, 95% confidence interval [CI] 2.4–21.1, p = 0.014). GD was high in both groups with ∼95% displaying clinically relevant levels of GD. Chest dysphoria was similar between groups, while voice dysphoria was higher in those with autistic traits (standardised mean difference [SMD] = 0.3, 95% confidence interval [CI]: 0.1–0.5 p = 0.00087). Dissatisfaction with secondary gendered characteristics (SMD = 0.3, CI: 0.1–0.5 p = 0.0011) and hormonally unresponsive body characteristics (SMD = 0.2, CI: 0.1–0.4 p = 0.016) was higher in trans young people with autistic traits.
Interpretation
The similarly high severity of GD in those with and without autistic traits reinforces the importance of trans young people with and without autistic traits being availed the same opportunities to access gender-affirming care. Subtle differences identified between the groups in other areas of gender diversity suggest trans young people with autistic traits may have distinct needs and that gender-affirming care may need to be tailored accordingly.
Funding
The Royal Children's Hospital Foundation, Hugh D.T. Williamson Foundation; Australian National Health and Medical Research Council—Clinical Trials and Cohort Studies