@mike69 saidWhat do you mean it hasn’t been accepted until recently?
That’s some of the dumbest crap I’ve read to counter what I’m saying about reality vrs just believing something to be true? If your view on gender is truth and based on the stupidity of what someone likes and dislikes proves it to be true why has it never been accepted as such until recent history? Have society’s just not been intellectually competent in deciding on only tw ...[text shortened]... leadership and agendas changing the fabric of our society to fit their beliefs and goals until now?
Maybe in your retarded corner of the world.
Check out the history, for example, of
Lady boys in Thailand.
Really. The world doesn’t start and finish at the gate to your trailer park.
@shavixmir
Why? It’s a non-discussion for 99% of the bloody population.
If you really believe this, your delusional and living in your own head way to much!
@mike69 saidYou think your version of what’s real or not should be accepted by everyone.
@shavixmir
Why? It’s a non-discussion for 99% of the bloody population.
If you really believe this, your delusional and living in your own head way to much!
That’s stupidity. The majority of people on this planet don’t believe in your god.
Most people in Europe are pro-abortion.
And most people don’t care a damn if someone has a sex change or not.
It’s very strange you’re obsessed with it.
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@shavixmir saidWhere it’s overwriting and being forced into and on society’s reality and actual truth and not on feelings and who someone wants to screw and pretend to be for self healing. Thailand where much of this first became popular, Are you shting me? Small fringe groups thinking something true makes it so and for everyone based off their thought and personal likes, you’re another nut job.
What do you mean it hasn’t been accepted until recently?
Maybe in your retarded corner of the world.
Check out the history, for example, of
Lady boys in Thailand.
Really. The world doesn’t start and finish at the gate to your trailer park.
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@Bish
Illusion is not the right word - however free will probably does not work quite as we think it does.
Really, because you say so and believe this, sounds familiar doesn’t it? This is the same as basing your and my truth and everyone else’s on something because you believe something and think your thought process is superior. All this while basing it on things like you know a couple people while not looking at the greater picture and one likes Halloween and dress up. You have a very sensitive ego, if you let it crack you realize your not as smart or level headed as you think you are, just opinionated so you don’t engage, just like some others here.
@mike69 saidThere have been other cultures in which as many as five genders were recognized and accepted.
That’s some of the dumbest crap I’ve read to counter what I’m saying about reality vrs just believing something to be true? If your view on gender is truth and based on the stupidity of what someone likes and dislikes proves it to be true why has it never been accepted as such until recent history? Have society’s just not been intellectually competent in deciding on only tw ...[text shortened]... leadership and agendas changing the fabric of our society to fit their beliefs and goals until now?
@shavixmir saidActually, I don't think anyone is pro-abortion. In most cases, it's a last-resort solution to a problem which shouldn't have arisen in the first place.
You think your version of what’s real or not should be accepted by everyone.
That’s stupidity. The majority of people on this planet don’t believe in your god.
Most people in Europe are pro-abortion.
And most people don’t care a damn if someone has a sex change or not.
It’s very strange you’re obsessed with it.
@mike69 saidClearly when someone uses words like "probably" and "not work quite as we think" they are leaving a lot room for personal interpretation.
@Bish
Illusion is not the right word - however free will probably does not work quite as we think it does.
Really, because you say so and believe this, sounds familiar doesn’t it? This is the same as basing your and my truth and everyone else’s on something because you believe something and think your thought process is superior. All this while basing it on things like yo ...[text shortened]... level headed as you think you are, just opinionated so you don’t engage, just like some others here.
I have zero desire to change your mind. In fact I think I have been respectful and conciliatory. We agree on some things - as I have tried to point out.
Some historians believe that the Lord’s Prayer is the prayer that Jesus taught his disciples, when they asked him how they should pray.
Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name;
thy kingdom come;
thy will be done;
on earth as it is in heaven.
Thy will be done. Some have interpreted this as we don't have free will - we are doing God's will. There were questions back in the day - if we are doing God's will - why is there a need for Hell? Seems superfluous.
A new idea arose - free will. We usually do God's will - except when we do dumb stuff - then it's on us. So yeah - have to have a Hell because of free will.
We have five senses - lets use our free will to change how these senses interact with our thought process. Turn off our hearing, not hear the TV in the other room. Don't see red - see blue. Don't taste sweet - tell your brain its sour.
Its complicated. Brains are complicated.
How do we decide what's important to us? I am not sure we do. Any more than we choose what we fear or love.
Not sure. This is my opinion shared in an opinion forum. This is not an attack on anyone's else's ideas.
@shavixmir saidIt’s sad you can’t understand how dumb and pointless your words are here and actually think you made any points nut job 😂. Trying reading what I’ve actually said and quit putting words in my mouth that make you feel justified in your opinions of me, truth is truth, wrong is wrong common sense just ain’t what it used to be.
You think your version of what’s real or not should be accepted by everyone.
That’s stupidity. The majority of people on this planet don’t believe in your god.
Most people in Europe are pro-abortion.
And most people don’t care a damn if someone has a sex change or not.
It’s very strange you’re obsessed with it.
@Bish saidClearly when someone uses words like "probably" and "not work quite as we think" they are leaving a lot room for personal interpretation.
Clearly when someone uses words like "probably" and "not work quite as we think" they are leaving a lot room for personal interpretation.
I have zero desire to change your mind. In fact I think I have been respectful and conciliatory. We agree on some things - as I have tried to point out.
Some historians believe that the Lord’s Prayer is the prayer that Jesus taught his ...[text shortened]... sure. This is my opinion shared in an opinion forum. This is not an attack on anyone's else's ideas.
I went off what I see in the way you write as a whole and dealt with thoughts not like your own, and not wanting to deal with contradicting POV easily proven as fact. I also look at the points you’re using leading me to get a good idea of your personality type leading to your self identification from most of the points you’ve made here in all of your forum topics. Using the very limited defense of what you wrote above also leads me to believe these and what I said are used for self preservation of a perceived self.
Next, I never said you did, but nothing you said proved anything about what I was debating with you and you didn’t answer to anything I wrote also leading to my understanding of you.
Third point
Some historians and some have interacted? Look at what the Bible actually describes about free will and the Lords Prayer and try thinking about the actual words used in this prayer relating to life. How many times a day do you know Gods will and not doing it at all or in a portion of which would be the majority in all of our lives? For some reason you tend to relate more to small ministry POV on things. I understand sometimes this is done in searching for a more absolute form of truth or fairness in life and not wanting to be mislead in my understanding of things but at the end of the day you have to make a choice and choose to be hot or cold not Luke warm.
Its complicated. Brains are complicated.
Yes they are but not in many of the ways your describing. Reality is reality, right is right, wrong is wrong, blurring the lines for deception or true understanding isn’t the answer. Sometimes polling the audience can be a good indicator when searching if unsure the majority of the time to help as humans have been around a long time.
How do we decide what's important to us? I am not sure we do. Any more than we choose what we fear or love.
I totally disagree this doesn’t make sense to me?
Last, please see above and feel free to expand. I’m blunt and honest which I find to be easier in dealing with things, it doesn’t mean I’m attacking you out of hate or in any other way, it’s a more direct way in dealing with things I’m sorry if I offended you.
@wildgrass saidFrom a biological, medical, and human standpoint (not that that interests the right), the best and ONLY question is 'what is the best way to relieve those suffering from gender dysphoria?'
The fascination is absolutely biological. You can see the fascination with body parts and potty words in very young children.
I think the differences in opinion among adults is related to whether or not you developed a healthy appreciation for the complexity of the human condition.
The answer: 'Let political ideologues shriek some more' is not correct. 😆
@spruce112358 saidFor some in the theological camp, they shouldn't be relieved of their suffering. God wants them to suffer; that's why they're gender dysphoric. "Suffering is a sacrifice pleasing to God."
From a biological, medical, and human standpoint (not that that interests the right), the best and ONLY question is 'what is the best way to relieve those suffering from gender dysphoria?'
The answer: 'Let political ideologues shriek some more' is not correct. 😆
@mike69 saidMike I appreciate that you take the time to read and give my ideas consideration.
Clearly when someone uses words like "probably" and "not work quite as we think" they are leaving a lot room for personal interpretation.
I went off what I see in the way you write as a whole and dealt with thoughts not like your own, and not wanting to deal with contradicting POV easily proven as fact. I also look at the points you’re using leading me to get a good idea ...[text shortened]... hate or in any other way, it’s a more direct way in dealing with things I’m sorry if I offended you.
I am trying to answer to the forum though. This is not a PM - we are in the village square.
Its not a matter of not wanting to deal with contradicting POV - I think we are both dealing with different POVs fine. Just because I don't agree with you, that doesn't mean your opinion is not 100% as valid as mine. I didn't pick my opinion - that is my point. Why would I try to defend it?
You say, " but at the end of the day you have to make a choice and choose to be hot or cold not Luke warm."
This I will think about - there is something that resonates here.
The idea that reality is reality, right is right, wrong is wrong, is an idea that's time has probably passed. In fact this idea is probably what 80% of the threads in this forum are about. One side is saying reality is reality, right is right, wrong is wrong, the other side is saying not so fast, maybe there are nuances.
You are correct in that it doesn't make sense that we don't "decide" - what's important, what we fear, what we love, I agree. Many people here will disagree with my no free will . Its fine - I am not trying to convince you.
I am saying its important to me (for some reason) and I think about it a lot.
Some people are afraid of spiders and/or snakes. If we have free will - stop being afraid of spiders.
My wife and I both knew on our first date we would be married forever. I knew, but I certainly did not make that decision. I knew.
I do not like tight spaces. I can't sit in the middle seat on airplane. If I spend two-weeks pay on a trip to Peru, and when I get to the airport they say there was a mix-up and the last seat is a middle seat, I won't go. I will go back home and lose the two-weeks pay. Its only money. I can't do it.
I wish I had the free will to change that. Or God would change it. Or something.
I appreciate the blunt and honest and at no point have I felt attacked or offended. We are good Mike.
Finally - the reason I am spending so much time here talking you and the forum is that this is important stuff. You claim you have free will - ok lets go with that - please use it to really consider what I am saying. For a minute or two.
If I am on the right path here and we don't have "free will" like most of us define it - its more nuanced than that - then when we are debating in the Debates forum we could use all 100% of our energies debating the ideas - not the personalities.
It would make no sense for anyone to call me or you names. We would all agree that its not my fault I have this dumb idea. Why criticize me? Criticize the dumb idea.