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How do we decide what's important to us? Is it different for everyone? Not what we decide is important - that is obviously different. But "how" we decide.

I mentioned in a different thread - "people" have been around about 300,000 years. For us to be here today - us here in this forum I mean - all of our direct lineage ancestors for 15,000 generations survived somehow long enough to reproduce. It's kind of a miracle.

When I open Daily Chess in the morning I see at the top of the Debates Forum

Another trans "girl" wins two state championships.

Like every day. Why?

Why is that so interesting to people? Why do people spend any of their limited 70-80 years thinking about this and arguing about this? It doesn't effect anyone here. None of us were there. None of us were hurt by this.

However people are so fascinated. I can't help but wonder if it is biological maybe. If this is just biologically interesting to our brains. Trying to make sense of it all.

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@Bish said
How do we decide what's important to us? Is it different for everyone? Not what we decide is important - that is obviously different. But "how" we decide.

I mentioned in a different thread - "people" have been around about 300,000 years. For us to be here today - us here in this forum I mean - all of our direct lineage ancestors for 15,000 generations survived somehow long e ...[text shortened]... gical maybe. If this is just biologically interesting to our brains. Trying to make sense of it all.
It's the 'ick' factor. 😆

Back in the day, Bing Crosby and Danny Kaye did a number in 'White Christmas' dressed as women - everybody laughed. And then Jack Lemmon and Tony Curtis did 'Some Like It Hot.' And again everybody laughed. Nobody was bothered by any of that.

But somewhere since, a few started talking about 'trans' as in, 'No, really. We are.' And people were like, 'Huh?'

The natural reaction of MOST people to seeing a 'serious' trans is a weird sensation of 'ick'. It's visceral. Nobody TAUGHT us that reaction because it literally never came up before. But it is quickly overlaid by 'ok, whatever.' We are mostly liberals after all. 😆

But that's why. Fascination with 'ick.' 😆

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@spruce112358 said
It's the 'ick' factor. 😆

Back in the day, Bing Crosby and Danny Kaye did a number in 'White Christmas' dressed as women - everybody laughed. And then Jack Lemmon and Tony Curtis did 'Some Like It Hot.' And again everybody laughed. Nobody was bothered by any of that.

But somewhere since, a few started talking about 'trans' as in, 'No, really. We are.' And people we ...[text shortened]... by 'ok, whatever.' We are mostly liberals after all. 😆

But that's why. Fascination with 'ick.' 😆
Is there a fear factor? If gay and trans is normalized in modern day society (it's not the year 500 A.D. anymore), does that add a fear of what's next?

If there are no "rules" anymore - does that scare some?

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@Bish said
Is there a fear factor? If gay and trans is normalized in modern day society (it's not the year 500 A.D. anymore), does that add a fear of what's next?

If there are no "rules" anymore - does that scare some?
Liberals are not afraid of trans. But MAGA's are convinced it is contagious. 😆

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@Bish said
How do we decide what's important to us? Is it different for everyone? Not what we decide is important - that is obviously different. But "how" we decide.

I mentioned in a different thread - "people" have been around about 300,000 years. For us to be here today - us here in this forum I mean - all of our direct lineage ancestors for 15,000 generations survived somehow long e ...[text shortened]... gical maybe. If this is just biologically interesting to our brains. Trying to make sense of it all.
Try reading it might help you understand, you overlook much to make some mute point.

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@mike69 said
Try reading it might help you understand, you overlook much to make some mute point.

https://youtu.be/4Eqplj22vhg?si=NnSIF3Wx-q-r_YQG
Wow, 'disturbing logic of the left' I bet that is TOTALLY unbiased......
And totally ignoring the grift going on by republicans in that 'disgusting abomination' of a bill written by what one Nobel Prize winner called Sinister Zombies and now wanting to decapitate Medicare as WELL as Medicaid and SNAP and BTW, I personally have been cut in my SS by over one hundred dollars this month. So what will they screw us with NEXT month?
And the ultrarightwingnut SCOTUS allowing DOGE unfettered access to SOCIAL SECURITY data so Musk can get his Master data list JUST LIKE IN CHINA and you think LEFTIES are bad?

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@mike69 said
Try reading it might help you understand, you overlook much to make some mute point.

https://youtu.be/4Eqplj22vhg?si=NnSIF3Wx-q-r_YQG
Cheers Mike

No - I won't read it. I don't care. I live in Wisconsin not California. I am not in High School.

I am not making a mute point - I am asking a question. I have not expressed an opinion - I am wondering how people decide what is important to them.

It was just one example.

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@Bish said
Cheers Mike

No - I won't read it. I don't care. I live in Wisconsin not California. I am not in High School.

I am not making a mute point - I am asking a question. I have not expressed an opinion - I am wondering how people decide what is important to them.

It was just one example.
You made a statement without facts or knowledge then doubled down with the high school remark.

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@sonhouse said
Wow, 'disturbing logic of the left' I bet that is TOTALLY unbiased......
And totally ignoring the grift going on by republicans in that 'disgusting abomination' of a bill written by what one Nobel Prize winner called Sinister Zombies and now wanting to decapitate Medicare as WELL as Medicaid and SNAP and BTW, I personally have been cut in my SS by over one hundred dollars t ...[text shortened]... SECURITY data so Musk can get his Master data list JUST LIKE IN CHINA and you think LEFTIES are bad?
Try reality, it’s not that bad and look within with your own actions taken into account.

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@mike69 said
You made a statement without facts or knowledge then doubled down with the high school remark.
I asked a question. There is no argument here - no statement - no argument.

"How do we decide what's important to us? Is it different for everyone? "

I didn't read it - but I thought that is what you were talking about - a high school swim meet or track meet. I didn't mean you were in high school - I meant aren't you arguing about a bunch of high school kids?

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@Bish said
I asked a question. There is no argument here - no statement - no argument.

"How do we decide what's important to us? Is it different for everyone? "

I didn't read it - but I thought that is what you were talking about - a high school swim meet or track meet. I didn't mean you were in high school - I meant aren't you arguing about a bunch of high school kids?
For a great many people, there is not any 'how' about it; it's more the milieu one grows up in, what's assumed, without question, to be normal is just accepted, until one gets confronted with something quite unexpected.

I remember my sister came home with a Chicano boy friend, we invited him to stay for dinner. And it was, oh, gosh, Mexicans are people, just like us. They have table manners and dreams and aspirations, just like us. We had a gay uncle, we went to visit him, he and his boy friend (they lived together) would take us out on excursions (Fisherman's Wharf, China Town, Chinese New Year parade) -- it was good fun. And again it was, oh, gosh, gays are people, just like us. They have manners and dreams and aspirations, just like us (and they're NOT the same as pedophiles). No big deal.

We were friends with another family, Black man, White woman, mixed-race children. We played together, seemed like the most natural thing in the world. We two families planned a trip, in two cars, cross country, a few thousand miles. My father and their father had maps out on the kitchen table and planned a route. I noticed that it was circuitous and I mentioned this. 'Why don't we take the short route?' and I pointed at the map with my finger. My father and their father explained to me that there were miscegenation laws in force in this state or that state, and that we--which is to say, THEY--would be pulled over by the police in those states and the man would be arrested. So we would have to detour around those states. And I, then ten years old, thought to myself, 'how can this be? That ain't right.' What was normal in California was not normal everywhere else. This was for me quite incomprehensible at the time, an unexpected and unpleasant surprise. Very much 'ick', as Spruce says; 'ick', why would anyone want to live in those states, or even drive through them, I wondered, if I can't play with my friends there.

Well, it goes both ways; for those on the other side of the state line, it was quite incomprehensible--that visceral 'ick' response--that my sister had a Chicano boyfriend, that we kids were 'allowed' to spend a weekend with our gay uncle and his BF, that we were good friends with a mixed-race family.

Not virtue signalling here--just pointing out that no decision was made about these things--we just grew into them. The rationalizations came later, when the SCOTUS mandated forced bussing of school children--yes, I remember that, too. Some people were dead set against it, moved into other neighborhoods or sent their children to private (church) schools, rather than have their kids sit next to Black children.

A moment of decision comes when you ask yourself, am I going to submit for the umpteenth time to manifest injustice? Am I going to sit at the back of the bus, just because I'm Black? Am I going to let people taunt and discriminate against my uncle or my sister, or me, because THEY have an 'ick' about something? That's when you ask yourself, am I free, if my sister and my uncle and my friends are not?

How do I decide what battles to fight? A lot depends on how much the people affected mean to me, what the potential risk is, for both them and me, to make a stink about something, and whether there is a support group of like-minded people. It's much harder to make the decision to stand up and stare down an angry mob when a) you're the only one, b) the people affected are remote and unknown, and c) you could get killed or assaulted for doing it.

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How do I decide what battles to fight? A lot depends on how much the people affected mean to me, what the potential risk is, for both them and me, to make a stink about something, and whether there is a support group of like-minded people. It's much harder to make the decision to stand up and stare down an angry mob when a) you're the only one, b) the people affected are remote and unknown, and c) you could get killed or assaulted for doing it.
Picking battles is why I'm so fixated on the idea that EVERYONE is OBLIGATED to protect everyone else's rights equally. So pay up those taxes! And... vote for government representatives who will carry out the only mission they have.

I don't have to like trans or dentists or people named 'Lois'*. But I do have to help protect all their rights equally.

A battle the government cannot and SHOULD NOT engage in is trying to make one group like another group. Or punish people for not liking each other (e.g. hate speech, which is complete nonsense.) Gummint should be laser focused on protecting all our rights equally. That's a battle we can all fight. 😆

* Present company excluded of course!

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@spruce112358 said
Picking battles is why I'm so fixated on the idea that EVERYONE is OBLIGATED to protect everyone else's rights equally. So pay up those taxes! And... vote for government representatives who will carry out the only mission they have.

I don't have to like trans or dentists or people named 'Lois'*. But I do have to help protect all their rights equally.

A battle the g ...[text shortened]... all our rights equally. That's a battle we can all fight. 😆

* Present company excluded of course!
Oh, I agree, it's never about liking people. I don't like pedophiles, but I still think they're entitled to due process and a presumption of innocence, rather than lynching them.

Thing is, there are so many victim groups, new ones every year, and, frankly, some of them are trivial. I can hardly keep up. I'm willing to fight against the more egregious violations, such as disregarding due process, but I just can't get worked up over people who feel offended about pronouns. For me, pronouns just aren't on the same level as using the 'N'-word to refer to Black people.

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@spruce112358 said
Picking battles is why I'm so fixated on the idea that EVERYONE is OBLIGATED to protect everyone else's rights equally. So pay up those taxes! And... vote for government representatives who will carry out the only mission they have.

I don't have to like trans or dentists or people named 'Lois'*. But I do have to help protect all their rights equally.

A battle the g ...[text shortened]... all our rights equally. That's a battle we can all fight. 😆

* Present company excluded of course!
And how’s that working out with lgbtq pissing on the rights of others and forced agenda put on others? I don’t have anything against them for just being what they are, but we both know that isn’t what the issues are. If your dumb enough to blame it on racism like the person above and not open your eyes and heart to what’s going on then your head is buried in the sand and you yourself are a racist.

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And how’s that working out with lgbtq pissing on the rights of others and forced agenda put on others? I don’t have anything against them for just being what they are, but we both know that isn’t what the issues are. If your dumb enough to blame it on racism like the person above and not open your eyes and heart to what’s going on then your head is buried in the sand and you yourself are a racist.
This is good.

You say "lgbtq pissing on the rights of others and forced agenda put on others"

I asked how do we decide what's important to us?

Pissing on the rights of others is important to me too - so we can agree on that one.

In my life no lgbtq has ever pissed on my rights - have they done that to you?

White male in America (me too - its awesome) - how has any lgbtq pissed on your rights? Not in theory (or on TV) - in actual real life.

Were you unable to get married? Have kids? Did a job you want go to a gay person because they were gay? Not able to get a home loan? They all went to the gay crowd? I know I keep asking this - but what happened to you?

What of your rights were pissed on - that this became an important issue for you.

We are getting somewhere here folks - we do have some agreement.

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