why do religious people want to run governments?

@sonhouse said
Agree because in your religion you are taught to reject any other religion. You are in a cult.

In my faith, there is only one way to be right with God, and that is through Jesus Christ; no other way will be acceptable. So God makes a way to get right with Him by becoming one of us; that is an exclusive claim, yes, and you think there are supposed to be more ways to God? Each religious belief system has claims that are exclusive to it. Do you think those belief systems that are at odds with others must all be right, even if they disagree with other belief systems that have different priorities?

@KellyJay said
In my faith, there is only one way to be right with God, and that is through Jesus Christ; no other way will be acceptable. So God makes a way to get right with Him by becoming one of us; that is an exclusive claim, yes, and you think there are supposed to be more ways to God? Each religious belief system has claims that are exclusive to it. Do you think those belief syst ...[text shortened]... s must all be right, even if they disagree with other belief systems that have different priorities?

Hell no they are not right. It is MEN who say it is ok for say a Christian can kill a Muslim or vice versa. Do you seriously think the death orders for the crusades came from a god?
Personally, I think if there was a real god, and I am not denying there might be a real god, it just seems to me no god has announced itself and therefore whatever horror religious warriors come up with, no god told them to kill whole villages.
I think if a real god showed up here it would be EXTREMELY pissed at the way we are causing mass extinctions and not shepherding like we should to keep all life on Earth having a fair chance of survival as a species.
We are not even CLOSE to shepherding more like wanton destruction of forests which keeps the atmosphere in check, to keep CO2 under condrol.
The built in selfishness of humans, screw the climate because we need to DRILL DRILL DRILL.
In the recent talk to the UN, Trump tells the rest of the world dealing with climate change is stupid, your country will go downhill if you allow climate change scientists to control how the climate fares.
Tell me what god would say that?

@sonhouse said
Hell no they are not right. It is MEN who say it is ok for say a Christian can kill a Muslim or vice versa. Do you seriously think the death orders for the crusades came from a god?
Personally, I think if there was a real god, and I am not denying there might be a real god, it just seems to me no god has announced itself and therefore whatever horror religious warriors com ...[text shortened]... allow climate change scientists to control how the climate fares.
Tell me what god would say that?

I think the world is filled with men who can do good, but lean towards evil. Therefore every group of people no matter how and why they are being lumped together are capable of both good and because we flawed evil. Those of us who do good even great good can do evil. It is not hard to find evil in every group all are flawed.

@KellyJay said
I think the world is filled with men who can do good, but lean towards evil. Therefore every group of people no matter how and why they are being lumped together are capable of both good and because we flawed evil. Those of us who do good even great good can do evil. It is not hard to find evil in every group all are flawed.

Well if there was truly one god running Earth there would be a LOT less death in wars. Such a god would NEVER say it's ok for you Egyptians to kill those Jews or whatever is in the sick bibles of the world.

@sonhouse said
Well if there was truly one god running Earth there would be a LOT less death in wars. Such a god would NEVER say it's ok for you Egyptians to kill those Jews or whatever is in the sick bibles of the world.

You know that how? Because if you were God you would be different?

@KellyJay said
In my faith, there is only one way to be right with God, and that is through Jesus Christ; no other way will be acceptable. So God makes a way to get right with Him by becoming one of us; that is an exclusive claim, yes, and you think there are supposed to be more ways to God? Each religious belief system has claims that are exclusive to it. Do you think those belief syst ...[text shortened]... s must all be right, even if they disagree with other belief systems that have different priorities?

Of course all 'belief systems' are 'right' for the people who believe them. To you, Christianity is 'right', to a Muslim, Islamic beliefs are 'right', to a Hindu.....Religion and belief in a divine entity or entities provides a spiritual dimension to the lives of people, provides social cohesion*, and the hope of life after mortal death, which is all well and good, but no religion is more or less 'right' than any other. This is a fundamental truth that you have never understood.

* It also causes wars, of course, but that's another issue.

@Indonesia-Phil said
Of course all 'belief systems' are 'right' for the people who believe them. To you, Christianity is 'right', to a Muslim, Islamic beliefs are 'right', to a Hindu.....Religion and belief in a divine entity or entities provides a spiritual dimension to the lives of people, provides social cohesion*, and the hope of life after mortal death, which is all well and good, but ...[text shortened]... ruth that you have never understood.

* It also causes wars, of course, but that's another issue.

The MUCH bigger issue is people writing crap claiming it came directly from god and people believe it and if the edict is KILL anyone not of our religion......

@wildgrass said
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I think the most ardent hard-lined politicians over time are socialists and communists,
and they are notoriously, athiest-at-the-point-of-a-gun types

@Earl-of-Trumps said
I think the most ardent hard-lined politicians over time are socialists and communists,
and they are notoriously, athiest-at-the-point-of-a-gun types

One can hope. Projects like the Crusades went SO well......,.

@Indonesia-Phil said
Of course all 'belief systems' are 'right' for the people who believe them. To you, Christianity is 'right', to a Muslim, Islamic beliefs are 'right', to a Hindu.....Religion and belief in a divine entity or entities provides a spiritual dimension to the lives of people, provides social cohesion*, and the hope of life after mortal death, which is all well and good, but ...[text shortened]... ruth that you have never understood.

* It also causes wars, of course, but that's another issue.

Nonsense, not all belief systems are right; they are beliefs, and we can be wrong about what we think is true or not. The thing you don’t understand is that truth is not dependent upon human acceptance; the truth is true no matter what people think.

@Earl-of-Trumps said
I think the most ardent hard-lined politicians over time are socialists and communists,
and they are notoriously, athiest-at-the-point-of-a-gun types

So why do the religious do it then?

@wildgrass said
So why do the religious do it then?

I suppose it comes down to what you notice.
Jews/Christians fighting Muslims ? Uh huh

@Earl-of-Trumps said
I suppose it comes down to what you notice.
Jews/Christians fighting Muslims ? Uh huh

If you're power hungry, be a CEO or politician.

If you're religious, go to church or be a priest.

Why preach in Congress? I fundamentally don't understand the urge.

@KellyJay said
Nonsense, not all belief systems are right; they are beliefs, and we can be wrong about what we think is true or not. The thing you don’t understand is that truth is not dependent upon human acceptance; the truth is true no matter what people think.

There's a reason why I put the word 'right' in inverted commas, but perhaps you have a poor understanding of written language. What I said was (and I really shouldn't have to explain this) that that which is 'right' for one person in terms of their religious beliefs is not 'right' for somebody else. You for example would say that your religion is 'right' and that the Hindu religion is 'wrong', otherwise you'd be some way to understanding what I'm talking about, which I don't for a moment think you are, else you are now saying that you could be wrong, in which case why are you so vociferous in plugging your own religion?

And as regards 'truth', let's put your assertion to the test by a simple example;

A. Homosexuality is scientifically proven to be a genetically influenced trait, in the same way as are eye colour, hair colour and so on. It cannot therefore be regarded as a 'sin' in any language or religion.

B. Homosexuality is a sin, which will be punished by eternal damnation in the fires of hell.

Which of these statements would you say is the 'truth', since, of course, they cannot both be true.

@Indonesia-Phil said
There's a reason why I put the word 'right' in inverted commas, but perhaps you have a poor understanding of written language. What I said was (and I really shouldn't have to explain this) that that which is 'right' for one person in terms of their religious beliefs is not 'right' for somebody else. You for example would say that your religion is 'right' and that the H ...[text shortened]...
Which of these statements would you say is the 'truth', since, of course, they cannot both be true.

You really do believe a lot of things that you claim are proven by science.