@Indonesia-Phil saidIf we all relied on personal experience for the truth we would all be very ignorant. You are one man, and it is critical to learn from the experiences of others.
I've been relaying personal experience, none of which I recognise in your quoted passage, having travelled throughout Indonesia. I mean what is this, a place where opinions and experiences are exchanged, or somewhere where we quote to each other from the internet?
@Rajk999 saidThis is true, nevertheless when personal experience flies in the face of the perceived wisdom, it's everybody's right to say so, it's how perceived wisdom changes, and how blind, unthinking ignorance is avoided. To rely unerringly and entirely upon the written word of others leaves us with no free will to perceive the world through our own experiences and perceptions.
If we all relied on personal experience for the truth we would all be very ignorant. You are one man, and it is critical to learn from the experiences of others.
@Indonesia-Phil saidI personally never had a problem with Muslims. They are normal people but they dare not persecute or kill Christians, or burn churches. We dont tolerate that around here.
This is true, nevertheless when personal experience flies in the face of the perceived wisdom, it's everybody's right to say so, it's how perceived wisdom changes, and how blind, unthinking ignorance is avoided. To rely unerringly and entirely upon the written word of others leaves us with no free will to perceive the world through our own experiences and perceptions.
However there are dozens of reports to the contrary all over the world.
I would be a fool not to factor in the experiences of others in making a judgment about Islam.
@Rajk999 saidWell, I hope you factor in my experience as well. Judge away, dear chap, I'm just glad I don't factor reports from Google into my 'life plans'; We'll continue to live here, in this beautiful country, with these beautiful, peaceful people, and be happy in the doing of it, and I wish the same for you and yours.
I personally never had a problem with Muslims. They are normal people but they dare not persecute or kill Christians, or burn churches. We dont tolerate that around here.
However there are dozens of reports to the contrary all over the world.
I would be a fool not to factor in the experiences of others in making a judgment about Islam.
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@Rajk999 saidSeeing Muslims as normal people is a good starting point. The next step is to recognise that normal people don't want to persecute or kill Christians, or burn churches. It's extremists who want to do that.
I personally never had a problem with Muslims. They are normal people but they dare not persecute or kill Christians, or burn churches. We dont tolerate that around here.
However there are dozens of reports to the contrary all over the world.
I would be a fool not to factor in the experiences of others in making a judgment about Islam.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidI vote Duke for President of the UK.
Seeing Muslims as normal people is a good starting point. The next step is to recognise that normal people don't want to persecute or kill Christians, or burn churches. It's extremists who want to do that.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidIt is important not to fool yourself. The extremists are the ones following the Quran, while the moderates are not. So I see them as normal for the most part, but I do not trust them, neither would I get close to, befriend, or encourage any of my daughters to marry one.
Seeing Muslims as normal people is a good starting point. The next step is to recognise that normal people don't want to persecute or kill Christians, or burn churches. It's extremists who want to do that.
@Indonesia-Phil saidNice people indeed. Check this :
Well, I hope you factor in my experience as well. Judge away, dear chap, I'm just glad I don't factor reports from Google into my 'life plans'; We'll continue to live here, in this beautiful country, with these beautiful, peaceful people, and be happy in the doing of it, and I wish the same for you and yours.
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Basketball Player Faces Death Penalty in Indonesia
A basketball player could be facing the death penalty after a raid on his apartment uncovered $400 worth of drugs. Jarred Shaw, from Dallas, Texas, played college basketball for Utah State Aggies and was later drafted to the Santa Cruz Warriors in the 2025 NBA development league draft. He later played in a number of countries including Tunisia, Argentina Thailand, Uruguay and Venezuela before settling in Indonesia and representing Prawira Bandung,
The 35-year-old was fired and issued with a lifetime ban from the Indonesian Basketball League but has now been in detention for five months and could be facing a long spell behind bars - or even the death penalty.
Indonesia have incredibly strict laws on drugs and more than 500 people are on death row - the majority for offences linked to drugs. Executions were carried out in 2016 by firing squad for individuals.
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@Rajk999 saidI don't need to 'check' anything, I'm well aware that Indonesia has strict laws against illegal drug importation and possession, as would your Dallas basketball player. Had you ever flown to Indonesia you would know that they even announce the fact on descent into Indonesian airports. If one decides to ignore the laws of a country then one should expect due punishment, don't you think? So what's your objection? The fact that a country is allowed to make its' own laws? The fact that your felon is American? Or that he's a baseball player? Or perhaps you think that illegal drugs are a good thing, to be encouraged? Who is to blame if he dies, the country which sets the laws or the person who decides to break them?
Nice people indeed. Check this :
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Basketball Player Faces Death Penalty in Indonesia
A basketball player could be facing the death penalty after a raid on his apartment uncovered $400 worth of drugs. Jarred Shaw, from Dallas, Texas, played college basketball for Utah State Aggies and was later drafted to the Santa Cruz Warriors in the 2 ...[text shortened]... were carried out in 2016 by firing squad for individuals.
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The death penalty for such offences exists, (as is clearly announced on the airplanes) but the fact that he 'could be' facing the death penalty, or 'could be' facing a long spell behind bars, means nothing; he could equally well be shown leniency, despite his stupidity; cases are decided on a case by case basis. Strict laws are not 'incredible', they are strict laws; you or I may consider the laws to be overly strict, that is your and my prerogative, but the laws exist nonetheless.
If one does not break the law then one has nothing to worry about in this regard, and your attempts to find anything to say against Indonesia are becoming increasingly desperate, and increasingly weak.
@Indonesia-Phil saidDeath penalty for having illegal drugs?
I don't need to 'check' anything, I'm well aware that Indonesia has strict laws against illegal drug importation and possession, as would your Dallas basketball player. Had you ever flown to Indonesia you would know that they even announce the fact on descent into Indonesian airports. If one decides to ignore the laws of a country then one should expect due punishment, ...[text shortened]... o find anything to say against Indonesia are becoming increasingly desperate, and increasingly weak.
Great country.