@no1marauder saidThere are several threads on this, you can pull them up if you want to get into that. I've forgotten what I thought about it, but I did see a video of the first second (when the officers did their job walking up to the car, he'd committed a crime) and from then on all I heard was George talking and talking and talking.
You seem to think it was George Floyd's fault he was murdered.
The jury felt differently.
Then later I found out what a child abuser and criminal he was, which is probably why he kept talking and talking and talking. But, that had nothing to do with the cop, who did in fact murder him. I agree with the jury.
@jimmac saidYes, he is as the anthropological studies I have cited to show.
hierarchical systems, are unavoidable and vital. they are in pretty well all domains of nature, Man is no different.
We are wolves who have been taught to be dogs:
"The team realized that the wolves were the tolerant, cooperative species. Dogs formed strict, steep hierarchies, with dominant animals demanding obedience from subordinates. Their findings suggest that dogs were bred for the ability to follow orders and be dependent on human masters, Science explains. "
https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/wolves-cooperate-each-other-dogs-form-hierarchies/
@no1marauder saidSomething is lost in your attempts to write like a poet. I am into plain conversational english myself. Frankly I hardly understand your second sentence above. What is this all about, anyway? The history of hierarchy? Are the movements of Alpha males coming next??
I understand that you are too stupid to grasp the main point I am making i.e. that humans evolved in a certain way and that present hierarchical systems are a poor fit for our nature.
Perhaps others can, however.
Are you aware of the what is going on in DC right now? You fellers, if Biden prevails, are going to be delivering hell to the middle class. Remember Bush promised no new taxes? Had to do new taxes anyway, but it did win him the presidency!!! Would Biden screw over the middle class? A guy that raises trash like Hunter....will screw over the middle class. The first evidence is inflation.
Let Duchess handle that historical hierarchy stuff.
@no1marauder saidMaybe its my fault Marauder....I think I am on the wrong thread.
Yes, he is as the anthropological studies I have cited to show.
We are wolves who have been taught to be dogs:
"The team realized that the wolves were the tolerant, cooperative species. Dogs formed strict, steep hierarchies, with dominant animals demanding obedience from subordinates. Their findings suggest that dogs were bred for the ability to follow orders and be ...[text shortened]...
https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/wolves-cooperate-each-other-dogs-form-hierarchies/
@averagejoe1 saidI find the subject of human nature more interesting than your fantasies about Joe Biden.
Something is lost in your attempts to write like a poet. I am into plain conversational english myself. Frankly I hardly understand your second sentence above. What is this all about, anyway? The history of hierarchy? Are the movements of Alpha males coming next??
Are you aware of the what is going on in DC right now? You fellers, if Biden prevails, are going to b ...[text shortened]... dle class. The first evidence is inflation.
Let Duchess handle that historical hierarchy stuff.
@no1marauder saidYea, human nature may indeed the most interesting subject of all time. I also like the subject of the advent of the 5 string banjo, but that would be for another thread, as would be the subject of human nature.
I find the subject of human nature more interesting than your fantasies about Joe Biden.
Are you just jerking chains this week? Biden is anything but a fantasy, this is real shyte. The printing of gobs of money by Biden has already started inflation, no telling what else is about to hit the middle class. Lord help us.
Now, where were you about hierarchy and such, lost my place. 🤔 🤔
@averagejoe1 saidMan's Nature has been the central theme of the thread since you ignorantly denied that Man in his Natural State lived in groups. Since then you and Jimmac have insisted that obedience to those "higher up" is the natural order for Man. The fact that this can be easily shown to be untrue undercuts any philosophical justification for a hierarchal system like capitalism.
Yea, human nature may indeed the most interesting subject of all time. I also like the subject of the advent of the 5 string banjo, but that would be for another thread, as would be the subject of human nature.
Are you just jerking chains this week? Biden is anything but a fantasy, this is real shyte. The printing of gobs of money by Biden has already started inflati ...[text shortened]... middle class. Lord help us.
Now, where were you about hierarchy and such, lost my place. 🤔 🤔
And if capitalism is philosophically unjustified and if Man is naturally egalitarian, then at the very least, social democratic ideas like current progressives are championing which would reduce economic and social inequality are true to our nature.
@averagejoe1 said
Yea, human nature may indeed the most interesting subject of all time. I also like the subject of the advent of the 5 string banjo, but that would be for another thread, as would be the subject of human nature.
Are you just jerking chains this week? Biden is anything but a fantasy, this is real shyte. The printing of gobs of money by Biden has already started inflati ...[text shortened]... middle class. Lord help us.
Now, where were you about hierarchy and such, lost my place. 🤔 🤔
The printing of gobs of money by Biden
What'd the other guy do, pre-COVID? I heard his 2019 budget was $600 billion higher than Obummer's in 2016. Even in a booming economy, the share of federal spending to GDP still increased. What's up with that?
Conservatives don't have the fiscal responsibility card anymore.
@no1marauder saidI never said "obedience to those "higher up" is the natural order for Man". I think simple obedience is stupid, I said hierarchy's were Natural and unavoidable.
Man's Nature has been the central theme of the thread since you ignorantly denied that Man in his Natural State lived in groups. Since then you and Jimmac have insisted that obedience to those "higher up" is the natural order for Man. The fact that this can be easily shown to be untrue undercuts any philosophical justification for a hierarchal system like capitalism.
...[text shortened]... ogressives are championing which would reduce economic and social inequality are true to our nature.
A level of respectful obedience may be necessary. Obedience is " not " a natural order, sorry if I gave that impression. even in hierarchy's, disobedience is common. Like the young wolf taking over the pack, or trying to.
@wildgrass saidAll due respects, Wildgrass, the money of Trump which you speak of pales compared to the trillions and trillions of Biden, especially when you see what Biden wants to do with it. The Broadway production "Hamilton" gets $30M Covid-relief grant from Biden? And more than that went to the Kennedy Center.The printing of gobs of money by Biden
What'd the other guy do, pre-COVID? I heard his 2019 budget was $600 billion higher than Obummer's in 2016. Even in a booming economy, the share of federal spending to GDP still increased. What's up with that?
Conservatives don't have the fiscal responsibility card anymore.
So, you compare Trump to Obama, old news and realistic government figures. There is nothing realistic about Biden printing trillions of dollars that simply will not work. On the short term, we are all making money, but some people will be haunted by this in the months to come.
So, If you have to bring up Trump, compare Biden to him. No contest.
@jimmac saidMy exact thoughts as I saw the the creepy 'obedience' word, which I note was used quite normally by a liberal. Marx was of that mindset. Get 'the people' in line. You are correct, obedience is not it. Abiding by laws is the correct reference. Obedience suggest submission. A sad use of that word. It would be hard to have dreams of getting ahead and prospering, with the aura of obedience hanging over one's head.
I never said "obedience to those "higher up" is the natural order for Man". I think simple obedience is stupid, I said hierarchy's were Natural and unavoidable.
A level of respectful obedience may be necessary. Obedience is " not " a natural order, sorry if I gave that impression. even in hierarchy's, disobedience is common. Like the young wolf taking over the pack, or trying to.
I cannot imagine a person suggesting that a united states citizen must be obedient. This is not North Korea. Thankyou for clearing that up. Some libs just get caught up in their religion.
@averagejoe1 saidLMAO! This from a person who says you shouldn't even talk back to a police officer!
My exact thoughts as I saw the the creepy 'obedience' word, which I note was used quite normally by a liberal. Marx was of that mindset. Get 'the people' in line. You are correct, obedience is not it. Abiding by laws is the correct reference. Obedience suggest submission. A sad use of that word. It would be hard to have dreams of getting ahead and prospering, with th ...[text shortened]... is not North Korea. Thankyou for clearing that up. Some libs just get caught up in their religion.
You preach obedience in the real world but deny it in the abstract. Of course, a capitalist society is entirely based on obedience from the ground up.
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@averagejoe1 saidUS GNP is up about 1% from what it was in the 4th Quarter of 2019. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GNP
All due respects, Wildgrass, the money of Trump which you speak of pales compared to the trillions and trillions of Biden, especially when you see what Biden wants to do with it. The Broadway production "Hamilton" gets $30M Covid-relief grant from Biden? And more than that went to the Kennedy Center.
So, you compare Trump to Obama, old news and realistic government ...[text shortened]... is in the months to come.
So, If you have to bring up Trump, compare Biden to him. No contest.
Where are these "trillions of dollars" Biden is "printing up"?
@jimmac saidHierarchy requires obedience, generally unthinking obedience. Your attempts at hair splitting are unpersuasive.
I never said "obedience to those "higher up" is the natural order for Man". I think simple obedience is stupid, I said hierarchy's were Natural and unavoidable.
A level of respectful obedience may be necessary. Obedience is " not " a natural order, sorry if I gave that impression. even in hierarchy's, disobedience is common. Like the young wolf taking over the pack, or trying to.
@no1marauder saidI would call it respect, Marauder. That is what I hoped from from staff, employees, associates. Respect. I will venture that none of them EVER considered themselves obedient,......you know it, I know it, everyone knows it. You are off the wall.
LMAO! This from a person who says you shouldn't even talk back to a police officer!
You preach obedience in the real world but deny it in the abstract. Of course, a capitalist society is entirely based on obedience from the ground up.
Police officer. He pulls you over. Good day, officer. Period. Then you or I would wait for for what he has to say. He might say " All is well, I just wondered if you would give a contribution to poor kids in the neighborhood"??
Now, why would someone be....what did you say above....an idiot? I wonder myself. I think Floyed was an idiot. Did you see the video? He never stopped talking. Idiot.