You hate America, but want larger government? Makes no sense.

@averagejoe1 said
Your post, 3rd from the top above, says, in the 6th paragraph, that ‘it is not my money’. Methinks you are in a frenzy, not unlike that of the Sonhouse. A lot of what you say, which is too much for one post, not unlike the Duchess, has some truthin it, and i am only left with what i assume you think will fix our imperfect society.
Everyone put everything that they own ...[text shortened]... I guess there is something in that scenario which you would like to change but I sure didn’t see it.

@no1marauder said
Suppose the legislature says you can't shoot rabbits? If you shoot one, is it still yours?

@averagejoe1 said
No. We can play lawyer to lawyer if you want, but I prefer common sense and logic.

@no1marauder said
So whether you "own" something is decided by the rules of society.

Isn't that " common sense and logic"?

@averagejoe1 said
If I am minding my business, and get up and go get something that was not mine before I ‘got’ it, would most assuredly be subject to the laws of the society in which I find myself as to whether I can convert same to my ownership.
Logic indeed.

@AverageJoe1
I know EXACTLY why you ultrarightwingnut repubs want smaller government, even if YOU haven't figured it out yet.

It is clear repubs are trying a bid to take over the US PERMENANTLY with now 400 STATE laws being shoved at midnight through many states now, like the really draconian law in Georgia.

The want small government because they are NOT federalists, that is, saying the federal government has power over state governments.

They want to abolish that and instead effectively make the US 50 separate countries with no control by feds.

THAT is why there are 400 bills rushing through repub controlled states to totally restrict voting rights.

A deliberate measure with full knowledge they are actively seeking to kill democrat votes, they don't even TRY to defend their position, it is just blatant and out in the open and they PUKE out 'All we want is Voter ID and election SECURITY, code word for SUPPRESS THE FUKKING BLACK BASTARDS VOTE AND BROWNS TOO.

@no1marauder said
So we've established that what someone owns is up to the rules of society.

So it's obviously "common sense and logic" that that society can also set whatever rates of taxation they please, isn't it?

@phranny said
@AverageJoe1 liberals do not hate America. Nations are human constructs. Think of a nation as a child. Citizens, especially in a democracy, are the parents and responsible for the growth, development and direction of their nation. In countries where control is limited to a few, revolts by the masses often threaten to overtake that control.
Parents who praise their children ...[text shortened]... mans and we are not perfect. Striving to be a more perfect union is at the heart of being a liberal.

@averagejoe1 said
Liberals want a govt controlled nation, where; at the end of the day, winners support losers, producers support wastrels. I don’t know about the other stuff, but, that’s enough.

@suzianne said
Yes, I want a nation controlled by the Constitution and a government of laws created by my elected representatives in Congress.

Who do you want controlling the nation?

A Christian Taliban ala The Handmaid's Tale?

@AverageJoe1
With the caveat that you fully agree with all the repub state folks putting up bills intended SPECIFICALLY to limit the amount of black, brown, Asian, elderly, KEEP THEM OUT OF THE VOTING BOOTHS BECAUSE THEY ARE MOSTLY DEMS.

THAT is the difference between you and Suzianne.

@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
With the caveat that you fully agree with all the repub state folks putting up bills intended SPECIFICALLY to limit the amount of black, brown, Asian, elderly, KEEP THEM OUT OF THE VOTING BOOTHS BECAUSE THEY ARE MOSTLY DEMS.

THAT is the difference between you and Suzianne.

@AverageJoe1
OF COURSE you can't and never will understand since you are a hard baked white nationalist.

@no1marauder said
Actually you right wingers hate the America that is and want an America that was.

@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
OF COURSE you can't and never will understand since you are a hard baked white nationalist.