Originally posted by shortcircuitThis post just shows how ignorant you are about music. Out of the list of "shredders" you've mentioned, Eric Clapton was a lyrical soloist, Jimmy Page's strength lay in his ability to create amazing riffs and not his soloing ability, Jimi Hendrix was a blues-rock guitarist more than anything, and Eric Johnson was more in the 80s and 90s than any other time period. So next time you're about to refer to "shredders" from the 60s and 70s, remember that "shred guitar" was an 80s invention and keep your mouth shut.
I'll take Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who and shredders like Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page & Eric Johnson and stack them up against your post and win in a laugher.
By the way, I never disputed how great the 60s and 70s were; with bands like Led Zeppelin, The Allman Brothers, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Jimi Hendrix, and Eric Clapton in his many forms, blues-rock was probably at its zenith, but it's hard to say that the late 80s and 90s were not also great for the rock genre. Seriously, "For the Love of God" easily ranks as one of the greatest rock songs ever, and easily beats out anything written by the overrated Stones (or The Who for that matter).
Be enlightened:
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Originally posted by Ramiri15You are either joking or a moron. Hendrix was THE ULIMATE solo guitarist from which all others strived to achieve. Whether, blues, rock, or country, I don't care. Chet Atkins, Roy Clark and Glen Campbell are also great guitarists, just not in the rock genre'. Jaco Pastore and Al DiMeola were also great players and soloists of a different genre'. I could also run with Frank Marino, Jeff Beck, and Duane Allman who were also great players. Don't forget Dale Davis who was the originator of the surf tunnel genre'. These guys are time tested and top of the line. I will grant you that Steve Vai may be the best out there right now, although I still prefer "Slowhand". So before you pop off with anymore of your "you are ignorant about music" BS, I stand behind what I said and I think the players of the last 20 years pale in comparison to those I mentioned.
This post just shows how ignorant you are about music. Out of the list of "shredders" you've mentioned, Eric Clapton was a lyrical soloist, Jimmy Page's strength lay in his ability to create amazing riffs and not his soloing ability, Jimi Hendrix was a blues-rock guitarist more than anything, and Eric Johnson was more in the 80s and 90s than any other time Who for that matter).
Be enlightened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhjDIY0B3IE
Regarding "For the Love of God"....just look at any music charts you want...popularity, total sales, whatever....it ain't even close and it doesn't make the top 25 as far as I am concerned. The 60's and 70's may never again be equalled in terms of quantity of quality material and timeless pieces produced. Funny thing too....the overrated Stones have been playing to sold out houses for over 40 years now. NONE of the bands or players you mentioned will have 40 year careers...period!!! Gimme Shelter, Brown Sugar, Street Fighting Man and of course Jumping Jack Flash, and a host of others. I'll take them all.
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Originally posted by shortcircuitOnly true idiots quote sales charts and claim they represent musical quality. I guess "Baby One More Time" is a better album than Led Zeppelin II...Also Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, and Yngwie are each closing in on 25 years of solo work. Metallica is on year 26 and Pearl Jam is on year 17. How much do you want to bet you're going to be wrong?
You are either joking or a moron. Hendrix was THE ULIMATE solo guitarist from which all others strived to achieve. Whether, blues, rock, or country, I don't care. Chet Atkins, Roy Clark and Glen Campbell are also great guitarists, just not in the rock genre'. Jaco Pastore and Al DiMeola were also great players and soloists of a different genre'. I could NONE of the bands or players you mentioned will have 40 year careers...period!!!
I called you ignorant about music because you claimed Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, and Jimmy Page were "shredders." They're not.
Edit: By the way I think half the people who go to Rolling Stones concerts think either they or the Stones will be dead before the next tour.
Originally posted by Ramiri15How would you propose to measure greatness? I guess the younger generation doesn't purchase anything, they just steal it off the internet, so that would screw you on the popularity issue. However, it has been a long time standard (where do you think those gold and platinum records come from?). Maybe we should just say whatever you like must be popular? I don't agree. Of course I guess millions of people could be buying the albums (or CD's) and then throwing them away in droves because they are crap (although I doubt it). So tell me, how would you measure it?
Only true idiots quote sales charts and claim they represent musical quality. I guess "Baby One More Time" is a better album than Led Zeppelin II...Also Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, and Yngwie are each closing in on 25 years of solo work. Metallica is on year 26 and Pearl Jam is on year 17. How much do you want to bet you're going to be wrong?
I called yo ...[text shortened]... Rolling Stones concerts think either they or the Stones will be dead before the next tour.
I bet I won't be wrong either. The odds are strongly on my side. Between burn out, flame out, accidental death, break-ups, suicides, plus the fact that there is so much crap filling the mucic waves these days, I like the hell out of my chances. BTW the Stones are on year 43 and counting. The Stones have probably been playing longer than you have been alive. Clapton is at 40 years already as well.
Shredders are what we used to call Axe-men. Let's not argue semantics, let's call them players. They are apples and oranges and worlds apart.
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i like AC/DC, really i do! i wanted to say them when i first opened this thread!
but then someone said queen so i'm gonna agree there, just for the sheer staying power! I was at my girlfriends sisters school leaving dinner the other day, and she went to an edinburgh all-girls private school and EVERYONE there knew "don't stop me now". (there was a disco.) everyone. i went to a normal, mixed school, any everyone knew it there. only a handful of people knew stairway to heaven, and maybe half a dozen knew for the love of God.
it's gotta be queen!
also, as to the whole led zep debate. well, mr page may pride himself on writing fine, fine riffs, but i'm sure the uncredited ol' bluesmen that he stole them off are pretty miffed and angry...still...
Originally posted by david haworthAgreed, but they did, and do deserve a lot more recognition than they have generally had since about 1972.
jethro tull won an award for metal. what an outrage it was.
You may hate them, but this year will mark 40 years as a multi-million selling band.
People do deny the good in this, but it's still an achievement worthy of more praise, grammy or not.
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Originally posted by asromacalcioThey may be the best band to ever sing horrible songs about elven folklore and other such uber-nerdy topics. But that's not really any kind of accomplishment. They'll likely be forgotten very soon.
Agreed, but they did, and do deserve a lot more recognition than they have generally had since about 1972.
You may hate them, but this year will mark 40 years as a multi-million selling band.
People do deny the good in this, but it's still an achievement worthy of more praise, grammy or not.
I can picture Ian Anderson now, legs shaped into a '4' playing his damned flute, singing:
Drink ye from the dragon's chalice, little elf!
Stand thee in the centre of my pentagram, mighty orc
and drink thy elixir of charisma!
And so on...
Originally posted by asromacalciodont hate them, just not metal.
Agreed, but they did, and do deserve a lot more recognition than they have generally had since about 1972.
You may hate them, but this year will mark 40 years as a multi-million selling band.
People do deny the good in this, but it's still an achievement worthy of more praise, grammy or not.