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Originally posted by CrowleyCheck out Crowley's pics. He's fat, ugly, and it looks like he screws fat ugly women in his pics. By the way fat boy I can't be a racist since I'm married and have members of other races in my family do you? Do you have any Black relatives in your lily white Boer family?
OK. Agree to disagree.
BTW, check out pics of slimjim - he IS fat and he is also racist. Hence, fat racist.
Originally posted by rbmorrisYou didn't read the study. You just read the bullet points. You have to go all the way through and click the link titled ..
I read it, and from a scientific standpoint, I can tell you that it has serious flaws.
Examples:
[b]"Defensive Gun Uses can be projected nationwide to approximately 2.5 million per year -- one Defensive Gun Use every 13 seconds."
--I see no definition of "Defensive Gun Use". Does that mean you have a gun, in a situation where you feel threated ...[text shortened]... out of context to suit the needs of the author.[/b]
Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, from The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law, Volume 86, Number 1, Fall, 1995.
For some reason after you click that link the URL in the browser reverts back to the one I gave you. Sorry about that.
Try this one...
http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/kleck1.html
Originally posted by slimjimSo you married a person who is not Caucasian. What the hell does that prove?
Check out Crowley's pics. He's fat, ugly, and it looks like he screws fat ugly women in his pics. By the way fat boy I can't be a racist since I'm married and have members of other races in my family do you? Do you have any Black relatives in your lily white Boer family?
Your posts say otherwise.
Originally posted by SleepyguyI don't have a closed mind - your weak attempts at debate just failed to convince.
Well THAT's weak.
OK, I'm really done now. Your closed mind is immune to both fact and logic on this matter. I truly hope you never need that gun you don't have.
So this is how you 'win' arguments in your world? Just claim it and it's done?
Well done!
Originally posted by CrowleyYes, might be okay for you, but some people, like my 4'11", 80 yr old mother would stand a better chance by pointing and squeezing than trying to disarm a robber with a knife.
I never said no guns would magically solve crime problems, but we will make it more difficult to commit crimes.
Guns are an easy way out for weaklings.
I live in a country where violent crime is rife, so I'd rather a criminal try to take me on than just point and squeeze.
There is no way you can disarm all the criminals in the world. Why give them the upper-hand?
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Originally posted by yo its meIf children are taught properly how to handle guns, they can be a source of enjoyment. Many people enjoy sport hunting or target shooting.
What you're being rediculas now. You'd advocate having a gun in the house but something that might give your childern fun and exersise is out of the question?
Do you take them to the zoo? lions kill you know 😛
Zookeepers (I just took my daughter to the zoo last week and my wife is there again right now) put safety measures in place to keep my children safe. Plus, the lions just lay around and sleep all day.
Teaching proper gun safety reduces the chances of children dying of accidental shootings. I would be willing to bet that any child who plays with a loaded gun has a parent who has never been taught proper gun safety as a child.
I have met more children (I teach, so I've met a few.) who have been badly injured on trampolines than have been shot with guns. The one I know who has been shot (not fatally) had an idiot for a father who did not know how to properly clean a rifle. He promptly got rid of all his guns because he realized he was not qualified enough to own one.
Both guns and cars can be treated by law as weapons. Yet when people are killed in car accidents (I know more students who have been killed in this manner than have even been shot.) we don't hear people screaming to ban cars. They are enjoyable, collector's items for some, and convenient. Some people have the same views on guns.
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Originally posted by CrowleyIt was a JOKE, you fool. Did you not see the little smiley guy?
I don't have a closed mind - your weak attempts at debate just failed to convince.
So this is how you 'win' arguments in your world? Just claim it and it's done?
Well done!
And yeah, your mind is snapped shut like a rat trap on this matter.
Defensive guns in the hands of the law abiding populace deters and therefore decreases violent crime. Decreasing violent crime SAVES LIVES. Its so simple, just common sense really. But there is no shaking your revulsion of guns, nor of the millions of decent (stupid American) people who own them. That is a closed mind indeed.
Here's a class that may get the vote for "most unusual".
While in high school my gym teacher taught a unit on gun safety and skeet shooting. He took about 20 high school seniors out into a field with a box of clay pigeons, a 20-gauge and a 12-gauge shotgun, boxes of ammo, and had us shooting stationary and moving targets. We even had a few lessons in target practice with bow and arrow at the National Guard amory.
It actually was a lot of fun. Of course, I had an unfair advantage and could hit more targets because my dad had actually taught all this beforehand.
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Originally posted by neonpeon41In the 60's my high school had a marksmanship club, they went to the local range once a month with some .22 rifles that were kept at the school. Nobody thought anything of it. This was in Los Angeles, Inglewood, to be exact. If they tried it now people would freak.
Here's a class that may get the vote for "most unusual".
While in high school my gym teacher taught a unit on gun safety and skeet shooting. He took about 20 high school seniors out into a field with a box of clay pigeons, a 20-gauge and a 12-gauge shotgun, boxes of ammo, and had us shooting stationary and moving targets. We even had a few lessons in ...[text shortened]... tage and could hit more targets because my dad had actually taught all this beforehand.
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Originally posted by Sam The ShamI attended high school in the 90's. Fairly recent, but still pre-Columbine. I know we were the first group allowed to take this class. I don't think too many after took it.
In the 60's my high school had a marksmanship club, they went to the local range once a month with some .22 rifles that were kept at the school. Nobody thought anything of it. This was in Los Angeles, Inglewood, to be exact. If they tried it now people would freak.
I don't think a single school could get away with allowing this sort of class now.
I do remember being very disappointed my sophomore class going into biology looking forward to the taxidermy unit and the teacher announcing he was no longer doing it. For years I had watched the older students get on the bus with stuffed pheasants and I thought that was pretty cool. When my older sister took the class, she told my dad she needed a pheasant. He opened the gun cabinet, loaded a shotgun, opened the back door, took one step outside, fired, and brought in a magnificent bird.
Couldn't have memories like that if guns were outlawed.
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Originally posted by Sam The ShamShooting was a highlight of my school curriculum. But I haven't heard much about single-shot, breech-loading .22 rifles in connection with serious crime.
In the 60's my high school had a marksmanship club, they went to the local range once a month with some .22 rifles that were kept at the school. Nobody thought anything of it. This was in Los Angeles, Inglewood, to be exact. If they tried it now people would freak.
Originally posted by SleepyguyYou see, you've got me all wrong.
It was a JOKE, you fool. Did you not see the little smiley guy?
And yeah, your mind is snapped shut like a rat trap on this matter.
Defensive guns in the hands of the law abiding populace deters and therefore decreases violent crime. Decreasing violent crime SAVES LIVES. Its so simple, just common sense really. But there is no shaking your revulsi ...[text shortened]... of the millions of decent (stupid American) people who own them. That is a closed mind indeed.
Maybe these preconceptions you have are the reason you fail miserably at debate. Keep that in mind in future.
My dad had a .38, .357, and a strange little .25 (or something) pistol that was my gran's. My dad taught me a lot of gun safety and I've shot all these handguns. I was on our school's shooting team in high school and I'm a pretty good shot.
I even shot a wild dog that was killing our lambs one spring about 5 years ago with the .38 - a moving target at about 20 meters with a revolver wasn't a bad shot - squeezed off 3 rounds, but I got it.
I've gone on a few hunting trips and I've shot a warthog. Never really liked it, so I never go hunting anymore. I enjoyed target shooting, but not hunting itself.
Then two things happened:
First, my daughter was born.
Second, my dad's place was burglarized while on vacation and a bunch of cash and 2 of his guns were stolen out of his safe. He lives on a kind of small holding, so the burglars had lots of time - they used angle grinders and chisels to get through a concrete reinforced safe...
So you see, guns are a reason for burglars to rob people - these guys came ONLY for the guns they knew were on the premises, the cash was a bonus - and those guns will be used to kill other people and possibly even police members in future armed robberies.
See what I mean? Guns in the hands of 'good' people means nothing if the bad guys come to get them...
You are right about one thing though, I will never 'shake' my revulsion of stupid Americans.