Originally posted by Red NightEveryone you speak to is someone else's kid. But regardless, if someone is on this site, they are over 13, and probably here with their parents permission. I therefore haven't got a problem with saying anything too offensive to them.
Yeah, again, I wasn't trying to criticize you and obviously I've seen far worse.
I was trying to explain my comfort level and my issue with it being other people's children.
That age thing happened once. Because of the age, I would prefer not to discuss the matter in the open forum.
As an abstract, let me reiterate that this isn't a question of w ...[text shortened]... question of what you and I should feel comfortable doing or saying to someone else's kids.
Originally posted by Red NightI am sure some things are age related, but stereotyping people based on their age is just as wrong as stereotyping them based on their sex, race or whatever. Some people won't fit the stereotypes at all (for example, based on stereotypes I would have to be a man, and I never fit the stereotypes about teenagers even when I was one), others will fit some stereotypes, but not others. It is quite typical for people who are going through puberty to be rebellious and do things they know their parents don't like, and it is quite typical for older people to complain about the corrupted youth who is so much worse than they were at their time. Already Plato said so, which makes one wonder how the world can still exist if the youth continues to get worse and worse. But if you meet people individually, I find that age becomes quite unimportant.
And Nordlysk, a lot of the posts seem to be taking this stance.
Maybe if there is a value judgement or observation it's that society is so inundated with these images of Jackasses who run around destroying that we've forgotten the importance of basic human kindness.
And maybe this relates to my experiences on this forum
And maybe this is at least partially an age thing.
Originally posted by Freddie2006Not necessarily. You will have many under 13's visiting the site to have a laugh at the old people saying stupid things.
Everyone you speak to is someone else's kid. But regardless, if someone is on this site, they are over 13, and probably here with their parents permission. I therefore haven't got a problem with saying anything too offensive to them.
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Originally posted by Red NightI was correcting Freddie, who assumed abejnood was Muslim and therefore wouldn't be allowed to drink alcohol (not that you'd have to drink alcohol to go to a pub; I have been at pubs a few times, and I don't drink).
And, what's your point?
You guy's are constantly yelling at me to stay out of your threads if I don't have something to add.
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Originally posted by Red NightNo, that age thing has happened several times. When I first posted my age, those who were participating in the thread were ones who I knew and trusted, and already knew my age. I thought the post would be isolated and few people would see it. However, since then you've devoted whole threads to my post, and whenever my name appears in the forums, so does my age. If I feel I need to alert someone of my age I'll do it myself. I'm quite capable of typing 'I'm 15' without your help. Now, I know you think you're doing me some favor, but in the past, when lonely nerdy chess teens have seen it, the outcome is the opposite of what you're trying to achieve (to eliminate my explicit e-mails).
Yeah, again, I wasn't trying to criticize you and obviously I've seen far worse.
I was trying to explain my comfort level and my issue with it being other people's children.
That age thing happened once. Because of the age, I would prefer not to discuss the matter in the open forum.
As an abstract, let me reiterate that this isn't a question of w question of what you and I should feel comfortable doing or saying to someone else's kids.
My dad has approved the site for me. End of discussion. As you're not my guardian, this is harrassment. I've asked you politely several times to stop. Now please, grow up, and mind your own business.
Originally posted by NordlysThis is also a stereotype. My point is that some stereotypes can also be helpful in dealing with people we don't know.
It is quite typical for people who are going through puberty to be rebellious and do things they know their parents don't like, and it is quite typical for older people to complain about the corrupted youth who is so much worse than they were at their time.
For example, if I meet an old lady, since I don't know her I'll start my conversation more politely and then try to evaluate her personality. In the end, she might turn out to be even more progressive than me, but if I assumed that from the start I might say something offensive to her that I didn't mean to be offensive. With kids is the same. We might know a 14 year old kid mature enough to talk about some things, but others are not. I think the initial approach should be to assume a stereotype, and then discard the stereotypes after getting to know the person.
Sorry for the jumbled post.
Originally posted by PalynkaIt's not a stereotype to say something is quite typical. It just says something about the statistical likelihood. I am also not saying that you should discuss away statistical differences between age groups or sex, or that you shouldn't use them the way you described. It's a sensible approach. What makes it different from stereotyping people is that you only use it as a first guess, but stay open and try to get to know the person. Asking someone why his generation likes to destroy things is a bit different.
This is also a stereotype. My point is that some stereotypes can also be helpful in dealing with people we don't know.
For example, if I meet an old lady, since I don't know her I'll start my conversation more politely and then try to evaluate her personality. In the end, she might turn out to be even more progressive than me, but if I assumed that from t ...[text shortened]... hen discard the stereotypes after getting to know the person.
Sorry for the jumbled post.
Originally posted by PalynkaMy point is that you are assuming too much about a person if you ask such a question. You basically say "you belong to that age group, so you must fit the stereotypes about it". You could ask something like: "My impression is that a lot of people in your age group like destroying things, do you think this is true, and what's your point of view about this?" That way, you would open for discussion without assuming something about the person, or even the age group.
Well, a significant portion does like it, in a way. Constructive behaviour is not exactly popular among teenagers.
Originally posted by NordlysI got the latter impression...
My point is that you are assuming too much about a person if you ask such a question. You basically say "you belong to that age group, so you must fit the stereotypes about it". You could ask something like: "My impression is that a lot of people in your age group like destroying things, do you think this is true, and what's your point of view about this?" T ...[text shortened]... uld open for discussion without assuming something about the person, or even the age group.
For example, Jackass was fun (haven't seen it in years). They did silly things and eventually got hurt in the process. It was the overall sillyness of it that drew me into watching it once in a while. (e.g. a guy dressed in a hotdog suit trying to do stunts with a bike and failing miserably) They also were mostly harmless to others, as far as I remember.
Dirty Sanchez (or something like that, don't remember exactl) took it into a level of sadism whilst losing the sillyness that didn't have any appeal to me at all. Still, they just hurt themselves.
What RN describes takes it into another level. Making fun of bums is not acceptable to me, even if they pay him afterwards. It's a level of contempt for human misery that I cannot condone, even if there is a monetary reward for the bum. I definitely prefer paying Social Security.
Originally posted by PalynkaRed Night Seal of Approval
IWhat RN describes takes it into another level. Making fun of bums is not acceptable to me, even if they pay him afterwards. It's a level of contempt for human misery that I cannot condone, even if there is a monetary reward for the bum. I definitely prefer paying Social Security.