IQ test

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
Sorry, Shallow, but you're wrong, wrong, wrong.
The US military started using IQ tests to categorize entrants back in WW1, have done so ever since. Certain jobs require a minimum category, etc. They even refer to the levels of IQ as categories 1 through 5.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/889xcncf.asp

You are right about the French coming up with the idea, though.

nope, binet started it up in the beginning of the 20th century.

Originally posted by wormwood
nope, binet started it up in the beginning of the 20th century.

Alfred Binet was French, dummy

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
Alfred Binet was French, dummy

my point exactly. I don't know how you can think the us military started it, when you admit yourself it was the french. those things are mutually exclusive.

Originally posted by wormwood
my point exactly. I don't know how you can think the us military started it, when you admit yourself it was the french. those things are mutually exclusive.

Wormwood....please pay attention. I said the US military started using IQ tests in WW1, I didn't say the idea originated with them. I even stated that it was the French that began using the tests first. Try to understand what's being said before you start squabbling over something you have all wrong.

You have a Finnish flag on your profile.....is English a second language to you? I can understand your mistake if that's the case.

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
Wormwood....please pay attention. I said the US military started using IQ tests in WW1, I didn't say the idea originated with them. I even stated that it was the French that began using the tests first. Try to understand what's being said before you start squabbling over something you have all wrong.

then your response to shallow blue makes no sense. what exactly did you think was "wrong, wrong, wrong," if you agree with him about everything he said?

english is my fourth language.

Originally posted by Shallow Blue
I have no negative view of IQ as a tool in education. I do have a negative view of IQ as a measure of real intelligence, which is how it is often abused. If you use IQ in the way Binet intended it to be used (and AFAICT you do), it's no surprise that it works well for you. But that's not how any of the freely available IQ tests are commonly used.

Richard

Thanks,

Sorry I misunderstood.

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
Sorry, Shallow, but you're wrong, wrong, wrong.
The US military started using IQ tests to categorize entrants back in WW1, have done so ever since. Certain jobs require a minimum category, etc. They even refer to the levels of IQ as categories 1 through 5.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/889xcncf.asp

You are right about the French coming up with the idea, though.

I am wrong, wrong, wrong when I say that IQ tests were not invented in the USA? No, I'm not. They were invented in France, though the term "IQ" is slightly newer (though still older than their use in the USA military), and German.

I am wrong, wrong, wrong when I say that IQ tests were not originally intended for categorising army entrants? No, I'm not. Binet's original purpose for them was to aid in the education of struggling school children.

I am wrong, wrong, wrong when I say that IQ tests never worked for separating people into several classes? No, I'm not. They may have been used for that in the USA army, and they may still be used for that in a lot of environments, but there is no evidence that they're at all well suited to that purpose. They're probably better than random guessing, but in general IQ is a very poor prediction indeed for the kind of job a person will do well in.
IOW, for pigeon-holing people they work as well as an adjustable spanner works for hammering in nails. I've used a spanner to hammer in a nail, when I had no hammer at hand. To say that it worked would be stretching that word beyond its intended meaning.

If there's anything else I'm wrong, wrong, wrong in, I'd love to see evidence.

Richard

Originally posted by LennyBruce
Mr. Wormwood: I have read all 2603 of your posts, and I believe I have a good feel for your your IQ.

You are reeeeeeeeealy stupid. I would bet that you have an IQ in the low 80's.
I am an atomic scientist, so I know what I'm talking about about. You're a high grade moron.

Hello dodger.

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Originally posted by petrosianpupil
Thanks,

Sorry I misunderstood.

Sure, no problem. It wouldn't be the first time I expressed myself inexactly.

Richard

Originally posted by wormwood
then your response to shallow blue makes no sense. what exactly did you think was "wrong, wrong, wrong," if you agree with him about everything he said?

english is my fourth language.

OK, just this once I'll do your legwork: Here's the statement I was responding to.
"The IQ was not invented in the USA, though, and it was definitely not meant to categorise draft soldiers."

The US military most certainly does use IQ tests to "categorize" soldiers, they even refer to it as a CATEGORY and require certain CATEGORIES for different jobs. They have done so for over 80 years.

Get it? Understand? Is there a problem now? Something else you want to piss and moan about?

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
OK, just this once I'll do your legwork: Here's the statement I was responding to.
"The IQ was not invented in the USA, though, and it was definitely not meant to categorise draft soldiers."

The US military most certainly does use IQ tests to "categorize" soldiers, they even refer to it as a CATEGORY and require certain CATEGORIES for different job ...[text shortened]... et it? Understand? Is there a problem now? Something else you want to piss and moan about?

So you're saying that it was invented by the U.S. to categorise draft soldiers?

D

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
OK, just this once I'll do your legwork: Here's the statement I was responding to.
"The IQ was not invented in the USA, though, and it was definitely not meant to categorise draft soldiers."

The US military most certainly does use IQ tests to "categorize" soldiers, they even refer to it as a CATEGORY and require certain CATEGORIES for different job ...[text shortened]... et it? Understand? Is there a problem now? Something else you want to piss and moan about?

I'm pretty sure he was talking about what the french used it for, not what the us did.

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
OK, just this once I'll do your legwork: Here's the statement I was responding to.
"The IQ was not invented in the USA, though, and it was definitely not meant to categorise draft soldiers."

The US military most certainly does use IQ tests to "categorize" soldiers,

*Shrug* Many things are used in ways for which they were never meant to be used. Kasparov was once hit over the head with a chessboard; does this mean that chessboards are meant to be used to suppress Putin's opponents?

Richard

Originally posted by Ragnorak
So you're saying that it was invented by the U.S. to categorise draft soldiers?

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Oh God...I said no such thing. I said the military started using these tests a long time ago, and they use the results as a requirement for various jobs. A category 4 recruit, for instance, would not allowed in the signal corps.

I didn't say they invented it.

Are you people being intentionally thick just to annoy me?

Originally posted by wormwood
I'm pretty sure he was talking about what the french used it for, not what the us did.

Read the post shallow was responding to, the reference to US soldiers was direct and unmistakable.

I'm not wasting anymore time on this, it's like trying to nail down a piece of spaghetti, everytime I patiently explain things to you, you come back with some other absurdity.