Originally posted by no1marauderThis has nothing to do with making a game personal; at least not for me. You, in game, irritated me and others who did not take part in the invasion. In game, I didn't trust you, but I trust Bavaria. What I call diplomacy has put me 3rd on your little list and feeling quite secure while I've got plenty of room to expand, a lot of alliances with close, strong nations, and I'm helping to take out the least trustworthy person in my vicinity. It has nothing to do with you IRL except that I knew how intelligent you are as well as how pushy and potentially untrustworthy your play style was likely to be, all of which was verified by your actions in game and comments made about the game. You wanted to force me to take a side between you and Bavaria; well, I did. 🙂
I covered myself in case Arles violated the agreement; a wise choice as it turned out. I made it clear I would go to war if he left the troops in Lombardy and that's exactly what I did. No perfidy there on my part.
You're the one who's spinning; what you call "diplomacy" is so far merely succeeding in allowing a militarily weak country run by a ...[text shortened]... to be "cool kids" like you if you're gonna knock me out of the game anytime soon.
In WWII, the U.S held a lot more territory and production potential from that territory than you currently do 🙂. Bring it on!
You've used your Weapons of Mass Annoyance on everyone in your vicinity; therefore the Coalition of the Willing is liberating Venetian lands from your tyrannical rule so that they can hold democratic elections. The Coalition will maintain interim governments and security until that can take place. Fear not, good people of Venice, no1Hussein is being ousted from power as I speak, as will be any other rogue nation who foolishly joins his Axis of Evil.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe least trustworthy person in your vicinity is available by looking in a mirror, at least in game. Here's your last diplomatic note to Venice:
This has nothing to do with making a game personal; at least not for me. You, in game, irritated me and others who did not take part in the invasion. In game, I didn't trust you, but I trust Bavaria. What I call diplomacy has put me 3rd on your little list and feeling quite secure while I've got plenty of room to expand, a lot of alliances with clo om power as I speak, as will be any other rogue nation who foolishly joins his Axis of Evil.
You also have a reputation, self created in part, for being "Machiavellian" - that is, manipulative and tricky, always trying to confuse others for personal gain, not really trustworthy, etc. So that I would know beyond doubt how the next turn would occur, I cancelled the alliance that I had felt you had declared cancelled already, only so that I wouldn't be caught by surprise this round. Now, re: Ragusa, I didn't think it was unreasonable to ask for it, since I felt you'd effectively cancelled the alliance, and that if I was going to keep things fair, you'd need to pay what Bavaria paid. However, since you're insisting on keeping it, I will back off from that requirement for alliance and accept access to move my troops through it instead, since you are still offering this. I will offer alliance to Venice this turn. Is all this acceptable to you?
The first part is, of course, back to your silly personal comments that are unworthy of a grown up playing a wargame. The second are direct lies which show that no ally of yours should trust you for a minute. In truth, they gained you nothing; I made no changes in my troop deployments as I had already determined that Croatia and Ragusa were indefensible in the short term if you attacked and left only a token force so a battle would be fought (that makes the province 2 MP for the rest of the turn - there's some strategy for the kids, Rwingo).
The power ratings can swing quite dramatically as the last turn showed. In actuality, the biggest thing you've had going for you is the dumb luck that the Byzantines have been incompetently handled when they've moved at all and even then they out-generalled you on the first turn of your attack on them. If the GM ever replaces the current player with a real one, you're in a lot of trouble.
Historically, the only one of the realms with an elected leader is, of course, Venice. I don't expect someone with your lack of knowledge to realize that. I have advantages that the US lacked the biggest one being the caliber of the military leadership of my enemies being quite low while the German and Japanese General Staff were quite good. You're nowhere near "taking me out"; I lost 9 gold net last turn and still have an army in the field bigger than Arles and about as large as the Bavarians. This is the first quarter, not the two minute drill, Hungarian.
...a token force so a battle would be fought (that makes the province 2 MP for the rest of the turn - there's some strategy for the kids, Rwingo).
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There are no Nomads or Mongol Horse Archers in my army. Therefore it's impossible for me to move through two of your territories with the same troops whether there are enemies there or not. From what I understand, entering hostile unmanned territory costs 2 and entering manned hostile territory costs all movement points (this is the Battle you were talking about). I think you just lost two Light Infantry for nothing.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungIf you take it in the first phase, then it changes ownership at the end of that phase. Thus, you could move cavalry through it in the second phase at only 1 MP and attack a province behind it in the third phase if no battle took place. I think you are wrong by my reading of the rules; why else would the rules specifically mention that where there is a battle the MP cost becomes 2?.
[b]...a token force so a battle would be fought (that makes the province 2 MP for the rest of the turn - there's some strategy for the kids, Rwingo).
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There are no Nomads or Mongol Horse Archers in my army. Therefore it's impossible for me to move through two of your territories with the same troops whether there are enemies there or no ...[text shortened]... is the Battle you were talking about). I think you just lost two Light Infantry for nothing.[/b]
EDIT: On re-reading the rules, it appears I was mistaken; any change in province ownership makes it 2 MP for the duration of the entire turn. It would still be necessary though to leave a unit in an un-annexed province (which both were) to pillage it for revenue, so I almost certainly would have left the troops there for that purpose on the off-chance the Hungarian wasn't a treacherous liar.
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Originally posted by no1marauder😞
If you take it in the first phase, then it changes ownership at the end of that phase. Thus, you could move cavalry through it in the second phase at only 1 MP and attack a province behind it in the third phase if no battle took place. I think you are wrong by my reading of the rules; why else would the rules specifically mention that where there is a ba ...[text shortened]... ft the troops there for that purpose on the off-chance the Hungarian wasn't a treacherous liar.
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Originally posted by buffalobillWell, that's idiotic - someone who is offering their services as running an e-mail game should make sure their mailbox does not have a QUOTA!
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Originally posted by buffalobillHas nobody read the Mameluke Sultan's proclamation? While you lot are dismembering Venice for the sake of his personality, a Jihad is in preparation. With the impending demise of the Venetian fleet, the Mediterranean is in danger of becoming an Arabic lake. Meanwhile, as you weaken yourselves internally, the Golden Horde gathers strength. Must history repeat itself yet again?
True. I can't see how Venice, like Byzantium, can be taken by any one nation on its own.
Edit: And it's going to be a massive effort.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageThe Golden Horde prefers peace, prosperity, and pulchritude. Plenty of pastures for the grazing of our sheep. A new yurt with aluminum siding. We are a passive and pacific people.
Has nobody read the Mameluke Sultan's proclamation? While you lot are dismembering Venice for the sake of his personality, a Jihad is in preparation. With the impending demise of the Venetian fleet, the Mediterranean is in danger of becoming an Arabic lake. Meanwhile, as you weaken yourselves internally, the Golden Horde gathers strength. Must history repeat itself yet again?
Now that all the lawless, independant provinces around us have been shown the light of civilization, and the predatory Byzantine pirate fleet has been properly punished, we prefer to pass our tiime in pastoral pursuits.
Khan Ozbeg
Originally posted by Bosse de NageWe only claim what is rightfully ours. Its with much delight we observe the contineous quarrels between the so-called mighty armies of Europe ... only to prepare themselves for the inevitable Mamluke victory.
Has nobody read the Mameluke Sultan's proclamation? While you lot are dismembering Venice for the sake of his personality, a Jihad is in preparation. With the impending demise of the Venetian fleet, the Mediterranean is in danger of becoming an Arabic lake. Meanwhile, as you weaken yourselves internally, the Golden Horde gathers strength. Must history repeat itself yet again?
Well done Castile, England and Aragon (particularly) on Aquitaine. He's now got the second weakest army in the game and a tiny navy. He'll bounce back next turn, though, because I suspect he has a lot of gold left over from last turn from losing Trastamara and not being able to recruit there.
Can I suggest nations like Morocco desist from attacking in Spain until this usurper is dealt with?
