Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeWhy should I bring it if I have no say in the matter? Do you intend to take credit for it and not acknowledge my part in this?
I said 'bring the time.' I didn't say you'd be in charge of it.
Sheesh.
Okay then, in that case I want to be paid in advance. Money up front or no deal... The Donald has spoken!
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThe force of gravity is unrelenting. The Earth's gravity pulls everything down, to the very rock it is made of. (The reason the Earth is spherical. - The pressure of gravity equally in all directions).
If gravity is real--- physical: observable, measurable, testable and falsifiable --- it necessarily must be demonstrable right here on ol' planet earth.
It isn't.
Everyone who's ever considered it knows this, but why balk at the emperor's new wardrobe, if everyone else is in awe?
Spheres come naturally to things the size of a planet, once gravity starts to work. Your demonstration of gravity is all around you sir.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHJust exactly what drugs are you on? What part about dropping a rock on your toe will hurt? Exactly what force does the attracting then? Gravity is not a force like magnetism. A refrigerator magnet held on the side of a refrigerator, a weak magnet, holds up against the gravity of an entire planet. Magnetism is millions or billions of times stronger pound for pound than gravity because gravity is just the bending of space and time in response to mass. Gravity is measurable quite easily, you should really study a topic before you start mouthing off nonsense. I guess you figure if you just mouth some nonsense, someone will believe you. I guess that might be true on a soapbox in central park but in the real world you are up against people who can actually think for themselves.
If gravity is real--- physical: observable, measurable, testable and falsifiable --- it necessarily must be demonstrable right here on ol' planet earth.
It isn't.
Everyone who's ever considered it knows this, but why balk at the emperor's new wardrobe, if everyone else is in awe?
Originally posted by sonhouse"...gravity is just the bending of space and time in response to mass."
Just exactly what drugs are you on? What part about dropping a rock on your toe will hurt? Exactly what force does the attracting then? Gravity is not a force like magnetism. A refrigerator magnet held on the side of a refrigerator, a weak magnet, holds up against the gravity of an entire planet. Magnetism is millions or billions of times stronger pound for ...[text shortened]... tral park but in the real world you are up against people who can actually think for themselves.
That's positively insane. Did science tell you that? Is that a theory, or are you absolutely sure that's how it really works? One would have to be a god to know that sheet! 😉 Unless of course it was revealed by a god to science. 😉
Originally posted by sonhouseDrugs?
Just exactly what drugs are you on? What part about dropping a rock on your toe will hurt? Exactly what force does the attracting then? Gravity is not a force like magnetism. A refrigerator magnet held on the side of a refrigerator, a weak magnet, holds up against the gravity of an entire planet. Magnetism is millions or billions of times stronger pound for ...[text shortened]... tral park but in the real world you are up against people who can actually think for themselves.
Sounds like you need some.
Everything you ascribe to gravity is the domain of density.
You cannot demonstrate gravity on the planet without invoking density.
Beyond that (as usual) you have literally nothing.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeWhen gravity looks exactly like density, you need to rework your formula.
The force of gravity is unrelenting. The Earth's gravity pulls everything down, to the very rock it is made of. (The reason the Earth is spherical. - The pressure of gravity equally in all directions).
Spheres come naturally to things the size of a planet, once gravity starts to work. Your demonstration of gravity is all around you sir.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHIt is well known the flow of time changes depending on how deep you are in a gravity field. Atomic clocks are now accurate enough to see the shift in the flow of time when you move an atomic clock a meter up or down compared to another clock of the same technology.
Drugs?
Sounds like you need some.
Everything you ascribe to gravity is the domain of density.
You cannot demonstrate gravity on the planet without invoking density.
Beyond that (as usual) you have literally nothing.
If they are on the same level, they are in sync, if one is now moved to a higher level, say one meter higher, it starts running slightly faster and if down from the first one will start running a tiny bit slower. The deeper you are into a gravity well (space/time curve) the slower time flows.
You don't get to just willy nilly refashion what gravity is just to satisfy your fantasy unless you of course, using your own knowledge of cosmology and physics, have your own paper submitted to a peer reviewed journal showing us how things really are.
Just spouting crap about 'density' gets you nowhere.
Of course it is well known if you have a giant ball of lead a thousand miles wide V a giant ball of water the same size, the lead ball will have a deeper gravity well. What a shocker.
It is the total mass that determines the depth of the gravity well but if it is distributed in a sphere where you have a million little balls a cm wide separated by a meter or something it will have a smaller but wider dip in the gravity field or the local space/time curve.
If you have a mass like a neutron star where one teaspoon of the stuff weighs or masses a million tons you are going to have a very steep curve and light will bend quite a bit going by such a mass.
The simple formula 4GM/c^2 * r tells the story of all of those, how much light bends going by such and such a mass at such and such an altitude above it.
For the sun the bending is about 4 micro-radians or 1.75 arc seconds of bending for light going past the sun and two such beams on opposite side of the sun will come together and meet at around 50 billion miles away from the sun which you can do using simple trig.
My new formula does that with just one simple algebraic formula, finding the focus point of light passing any body. For the sun, about 50 billion miles. For Earth about 1/4th of a light year. I did all the planets rather quickly doing my new formula.
So tell us o maven of physics, exactly what YOU think gravity is and have us thinking straight and showing us how Einstein was totally wrong.
If you have an actual black hole, the mass is so great and so concentrated light can at best orbit the black hole just above the event horizon.
If the light goes deeper than the event horizon, it goes inside the black hole and can not get back out since the escape velocity of the black hole is greater than the speed of light.
That is where 'density' comes into play.
Did you think you were telling us something new and startlingly fresh?