Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou godda be kidding. You really think Jupiter doesn't rotate? Here is a long term hubble imaging in a video format, it takes about 10 hours for one rotation, one Jupiter day.
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Any amateur astronomer can see Jupiter rotate just by eyeballing it. If you watch for an hour you will see it rotate about 36 degrees.
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Originally posted by sonhouseYou do realize TheFreak will claim it is a forgery, no?
You godda be kidding. You really think Jupiter doesn't rotate? Here is a long term hubble imaging in a video format, it takes about 10 hours for one rotation, one Jupiter day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QND_NtNFAvI
Any amateur astronomer can see Jupiter rotate just by eyeballing it. If you watch for an hour you will see it rotate about 36 degrees.
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Originally posted by sonhouseI don't know what the scientists were looking for or what they thought would happen, but I wasn't talking about interaction between electromagnetic fields and gravity.
The subject is called 'gravitoelectromagnetism' and may even be real but we are decades away from actually using such an effect if it actually exists. There is supposed to be some kind of interaction between electromagnetic fields and gravity but it is a weak effect at best. It's not going to get us a propulsion system any time soon for spacecraft.
The object was suspended in a vacuum by the use of magnets in order to counter the effect of gravity, that was the purpose of using magnetism. It was to cause the object to float in a vacuum, and not be touching anything. They didn't know the object would become lighter, so I doubt they were looking for a 'gravitoelectromagnetic' effect. If they found or thought they found something like that, then good for them... but that's not what I was saying about gravity itself.
I was saying there may be a connection (a direct link) between activity at the atomic level of mass and gravity.
Originally posted by KeggeAnd this showing a long term view of the moons of Jupiter rotating around in their orbits around Jupiter, done by Juno probe, just now getting into the right orbit around Jupiter to do basic science there.
You do realize TheFreak will claim it is a forgery, no?
This video was taken by Juno on the way to Jupiter, watching for a long time, enough to see several revolutions of the moons. It can be done on Earth also but it is much more clear in this video which is directly taken from the camera's onboard Juno.
http://www.space.com/33350-nasa-juno-jupiter-moons-video.html
Originally posted by sonhouseYou know a lot about gravity. But if the question is what is gravity and you answer with what gravity does, it shows you don't understand what is being asked. What gravity IS and what gravity DOES are two different questions... answering question #1 by explaining what you know about question #2 does little to enlighten us about question #1.
Actually, we have proved what makes gravity go a thousand times over. Every test of relativity has shown it to be true. We can take atomic clocks and see the difference between being in gravity field A Vs field B one meter apart in height. It explains why Mercury has this bit of difference of what Newton would have predicted because it is in the vicinity of ...[text shortened]... tp://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/26408/what-did-general-relativity-clarify-about-mercury
If gravity causes the flow of time to change as you approach an object, and this change in the flow of time causes space/time to bend which creates an effect we call gravity, then it appears you are saying gravity causes gravity. I'm sure this is not what you mean to say, but most of us here are simple folk who don't know half of what you know about this subject. But even simple folk can understand the folly of suggesting gravity is caused by gravity.
In the spandex fabric illustration it appears there may be something underneath and out of sight (an unnamed force?) pulling the ball down and bending the fabric....
See what I mean?
Originally posted by lemon limeGravity is the force created by a large mass distorting space. Explaining what gravity does 'is' explaining gravity.
You know a lot about gravity. But if the question is what is gravity and you answer with what gravity does, it shows you don't understand what is being asked. What gravity IS and what gravity DOES are two different questions... answering question #1 by explaining what you know about question #2 does little to enlighten us about question #1.
If gravity ...[text shortened]... f sight (an unnamed force?) pulling the ball down and bending the fabric....
See what I mean?
Originally posted by lemon limeThis isn't a circular thing, spacetime flow change doesn't cause gravity, it is the result of gravity. Go near a massive object, your fundamental flow of time slows down, so if a twin sits out a trillion miles from a neutron star and the other twin can go down towards the neutron star (where a teaspoon of that star stuff weighs in at a billion tons or so) and that person spends say, 1 year there, what he reads as 1 year on the clock, he goes back out after that year voyage and meets up with his twin, he might find out 2 years has passed for the twin camped out a trillion miles from that massive object.
You know a lot about gravity. But if the question is what is gravity and you answer with what gravity does, it shows you don't understand what is being asked. What gravity IS and what gravity DOES are two different questions... answering question #1 by explaining what you know about question #2 does little to enlighten us about question #1.
If gravity ...[text shortened]... f sight (an unnamed force?) pulling the ball down and bending the fabric....
See what I mean?
That time dilation thing also effects masses moving close to the speed of light.
You go faster, your clocks slow down, all your atoms move slower but you don't know it.
So the same thing, you have a twin, he stays on Earth, you go on a spaceship doing effectively 10 times the speed of light (not really, the brother tracking the spacecraft while he is on Earth looking through a very powerful telescope will see the spacecraft doing slightly less than the speed of light) so you go out 10 light years, your on board clock says one year passes. So you spend a year exploring the new star and its planets, go back to Earth at what looks like 10 times the speed of light to you because you are going so close to the real speed of light, you get back home, you were both 20 when you leave, now the Earthbound brother is 42 while you are just 23, one year out, one year exploring, one year back even though 21 years have gone by one Earth only 3 years went by for the space ship traveling brother.
We know that is true because there are particles with mass traveling close to the speed of light hitting Earth every day. Some of those particles make it all the way to Earth's surface but scientists know the lifespan of some of those particles is measured in microseconds.
But because it is going so close to the speed of light, the local time flow on that partical is a lot slower and so the particle that should have blown itself to bits a thousand miles up has now made it all the way to Earth because time has slowed down so much for that particle. It would never had made it to Earth if the time flow hadn't been changed by the speed of the particle, going so close to the speed of light. Close but not exactly because mass cannot get exactly to the speed of light, only very close.
So theoretically a human space ship could go what seems like to the traveler as if they are going 100 times the speed of light but an Earth bound observer sees it going only close to c. So the traveler goes out 100 light years, spends a year studying the new star, comes home at 100c finds Earth ahead of him time wise, he has gone 201 years into Earth's future. All his friends, family, relatives, are all long dead and he is in a completly new world.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeNo. You can see and explain what a hedgehog has been doing (what he does) in your backyard, but until you see the hedgehog himself you can only speculate as to 1) whether or not it was indeed a hedgehog and 2) what a hedgehog is.
Gravity is the force created by a large mass distorting space. Explaining what gravity does 'is' explaining gravity.
And so (again) explaining what something is doing does not answer the question of what something is. i.e. where does it come from, what causes it (to be what it is), etc. Saying an object bends space is like saying beans cause gas... this is the opposite of 'too much information'.
Originally posted by sonhouseIf it's from NASA, it is summarily dismissed as bogus.
You godda be kidding. You really think Jupiter doesn't rotate? Here is a long term hubble imaging in a video format, it takes about 10 hours for one rotation, one Jupiter day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QND_NtNFAvI
Any amateur astronomer can see Jupiter rotate just by eyeballing it. If you watch for an hour you will see it rotate about 36 degrees.
Got any others?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou really are an assshole. I said AMATEUR astronomers have taken pictures of the rotating Jupiter but you are too frigging lazy to google it yourself.
If it's from NASA, it is summarily dismissed as bogus.
Got any others?
You just want everything handed to you on a silver platter, too wrapped up in your own bullshtye to do any kind of research of ANY subject on your own.
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This is an AMATEUR astronomer doing exactly what I said.
Choke on it you piece of shyte.
I guess you will just announce THAT video to be faked also.
I call you a piece of trash with good reason, you have not the slightest interest in anything developed by mankind in the way of science, rejecting almost every science on Earth in your pathetic quest to prove Earth flat.
If that is what you belief as a religion, then live with it but don't start preaching to others about it since the real world knows good and well what shape Earth is and there is nothing special about our planet, it obeys the exact same laws that makes Luna round, Mars round, Jupiter round.
You and your idiot buddies persist in trying to make Earth to be EXCLUSIVELY separate from all the laws worked out by science and it is no such thing.
The Earth is a more or less round object about 8000 miles in diameter and the sooner you accept that the sooner you can have actual friends outside your flatassser mafia buddies.
Originally posted by sonhouseMy, what a potty mouth you have on you.
You really are an assshole. I said AMATEUR astronomers have taken pictures of the rotating Jupiter but you are too frigging lazy to google it yourself.
You just want everything handed to you on a silver platter, too wrapped up in your own bullshtye to do any kind of research of ANY subject on your own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8H0HIIo8JQ\
T ...[text shortened]... er you accept that the sooner you can have actual friends outside your flatassser mafia buddies.
Did you used to kiss your mother with that mouth?
The video you posted doesn't last long, and --- while the view does appear to represent a sphere of some kind --- yet that is the most unusual rotation for a round object.
I know you're fond of only hearing your own words rattling around in your head but for the record's sake, I'll say it again:
I'm not trying to prove the world is flat.
You, on the other hand, are beyond desperate to prove it is round... for whatever reason.
I have (and will continue to) simply pointed out two glaring issues relative to the presumed shape of the earth.
Both of these issues can be (and have been) demonstrated and verified beyond question.
For reasons inexplicable, you ignore these glaring issues instead attempting to avert the focus elsewhere... anywhere... even when the other directions contradict your claims!
Simply put, you have no answer for the issues, and your only 'proof' is the sheer size of the scam --- as though the breadth of a conspiracy automatically precludes the same from ever happening.
In circular reasoning, surely you have obtained the coveted PhD.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo in other words, even amateur astronomy is now faked. You take yet another dive in credibility if that is even possible. Did you even take a guess as to how long that video represents? The known day on Jupiter is about 10 hours and that video shows roughly 1/2 revolution so it is a bunch of individual images taken for about 5 hours.
My, what a potty mouth you have on you.
Did you used to kiss your mother with that mouth?
The video you posted doesn't last long, and --- while the view does appear to represent a sphere of some kind --- yet that is the most unusual rotation for a round object.
I know you're fond of only hearing your own words rattling around in your head but for ...[text shortened]... e same from ever happening.
In circular reasoning, surely you have obtained the coveted PhD.
Your brain is so far out of whack you can't even understand the simplest concepts. You should take a course in basic optics and astronomy and maybe then you can talk with some kind of credibility to people here.
But of course you would never stoop to something so low as to an actual education in the sciences you actively dis, would you.
You know nothing about perspectives, angles of shots or anything else that would tend to destroy your beloved belief's in a flatassssness you think real.
Originally posted by sonhouseI read the person's description.
So in other words, even amateur astronomy is now faked. You take yet another dive in credibility if that is even possible. Did you even take a guess as to how long that video represents? The known day on Jupiter is about 10 hours and that video shows roughly 1/2 revolution so it is a bunch of individual images taken for about 5 hours.
Your brain is so ...[text shortened]... nything else that would tend to destroy your beloved belief's in a flatassssness you think real.
How does that change what I pointed out --- or did you fail to see any abnormality?
Do you actually have anything to say, or just more of your grumpy old man rantings which are otherwise off topic?