Originally posted by Nyxiesure, a system like that would be fine i think. and people would have a good idea if the person they accused was found guilty - if they remain on the site they must have been cleared, otherwise there's a strong indictation they were found guilty.
Would you support a system that says "x" many users have been banned and left the site. Also if we don't name then people won't know if the person they reported was cheating or not. Seems if you don't offer feedback people will become disilusioned.
Originally posted by dfm65As it stands right now there's no way to even verify if someone is being investigated to my knowledge. Maybe some progress reports like darvlay and a couple others here have stated.
sure, a system like that would be fine i think. and people would have a good idea if the person they accused was found guilty - if they remain on the site they must have been cleared, otherwise there's a strong indictation they were found guilty.
Originally posted by dfm65Yes, but at least the person who made the accusation should know. And there will always be people who make their accusations public - when their post is removed, many people will already have seen it. Or they do it in PMs.
that's why untried accusations are not to be made public.
Originally posted by Nordlyswell, that's just bad behaviour isn't it? there may not be much we can do about PMs or emails, but if they publish it in the forums perhaps they should be banned too. in fact i think there is a temporary ban in place for people who make public accusations of cheating.
And there will always be people who make their accusations public - when their post is removed, many people will already have seen it. Or they do it in PMs.
okay this basically how I think it should work....
I suspect "x" of cheating, I notify the Game Mods (I think there should be at least 4 of them to handle the work load) via PM, no forum posts. 1 of the mods gets back to me via PM saying "xxxx" Mod is handling your enquiry.
Now a few days later lets say 3 or 4 the mod gets back to me saying evaluated "x" games they check out fine he/she is not cheating. Thats the end nobody is the wiser.
Now if the mod gets back to me and says checked out "x" and he/she is definatly cheating according to the data. That user gets banned. A message is posted in a community place saying "x" was found cheating and has been banned.
Anyway thats my 2c
Originally posted by ChakanThis is called feedback, and it is what is sorely missing from the process right now. I think that's what most of us here are after, some feedback. Well more mods, and at least some level of feedback.
okay this basically how I think it should work....
I suspect "x" of cheating, I notify the Game Mods (I think there should be at least 4 of them to handle the work load) via PM, no forum posts. 1 of the mods gets back to me via PM saying "xxxx" Mod is handling your enquiry.
Now a few days later lets say 3 or 4 the mod gets back to me saying evaluat ...[text shortened]... in a community place saying "x" was found cheating and has been banned.
Anyway thats my 2c
Originally posted by dfm65Why, genius, do you think people use engines in the first place? Because they want other people to think they are great players. Then they get busted and everybody knows they cheated. Maybe it's "only" their username, but if people are operating under it for a while, they still get shamed. And some people use the same username on multiple sites or it's known what their username is on various sites. Thus, we could be reducing the problem on other sites as well by ID'ing cheats.
This whole 'naming names' discussion is silly. That's because, people, we're all ANONYMOUS here. Say some guy with the handle CheatyCheatCheat gets busted for engine use. He gets named in the forums, and banned. How is that going to be worse than simply being banned? There's no shaming going on, because there is nothing to connect his handle with the pers ...[text shortened]... glee. No one messes with me!
The whole idea of 'name and shame' is kind of medieval anyway...
Secondly and perhaps even more importantly, the players who have played against engines should be told it so they can correctly evaluate their own play against other humans and not Fritz, Shredder, etc. "Medieval" my a**, last I checked they made the names of criminals public for the same reasons I've proposed to make the usernames of engine users public: deterrence and public awareness. I still await a good reason NOT to make the names public; I haven't heard one yet.
Originally posted by dfm65Yes that is your attitude; you don't care if people cheat but you're concerned about the "bad behavior" of people who say cheaters cheat!!
well, that's just bad behaviour isn't it? there may not be much we can do about PMs or emails, but if they publish it in the forums perhaps they should be banned too. in fact i think there is a temporary ban in place for people who make public accusations of cheating.
dfm: if you think someone is using an engine against you and this bothers you, just don't play them again. simple.
no1Marauder: If you don't like that someone is calling you a cheater, don't cheat; it's that simple.
Which statement would be more asinine?
Originally posted by no1marauderno, no, no! you got it all wrong. The real point which everybody should agree on is this:
Yes that is your attitude; you don't care if people cheat but you're concerned about the "bad behavior" of people who say cheaters cheat!!
dfm: if you think someone is using an engine against you and this bothers you, just don't play them again. simple.
no1Marauder: If you don't like that someone is calling you a cheater, don't cheat; it's that simple.
Which statement would be more asinine?
"Don't do to others what you don't want them to do to you"
Don't cheat if you don't like being cheated on.
And, more importantly: don't accuse other people of cheating. This would give them the right to turn around and call you a cheat too, even if you aren't cheating, and now that would be bad, wouldn't it?
So, let's just put flowers in our hair, sit in a circle, hold hands, chant "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" and have faith in the good side of everybody here... surely, when the message of LOVE has reached everyone, nobody will be mean enough to cheat anymore, nor to accuse anybody of cheating, and we will have peace on earth at last.
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Originally posted by RavelloNice answers (obviously the dude didn't answer) Phlabibit,this is the real you: you cast the stone and then you hide back your hand.
Why don't you give a straight answer to the questions I did?
What's your "personal database" and why did Russ lied to me?
By the way if having an engine was the only thing requested to do the game mod,I guess everyone who owns one could do it.
As you tell it,seems that all the work is on Tebb's shoulders and your presence as a game mod is total ...[text shortened]...
Answer to the questions,I'll check the replies when I'll be back from races.
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Originally posted by no1marauderwhat is asinine is to suggest that these two views are similar in any way. if you suspect someone is using an engine against you, there is something you can do to avoid the situation arising again - don't play them. but there is nothing you can do to stop someone accusing you of cheating, if the site allows it. they can do it irregardless of whether you cheat or not. is that simple enough for you, old fella?
Yes that is your attitude; you don't care if people cheat but you're concerned about the "bad behavior" of people who say cheaters cheat!!
dfm: if you think someone is using an engine against you and this bothers yo ...[text shortened]... t's that simple.
Which statement would be more asinine?
your problem, as your reams of statistics testify, is that you have nothing better to do with your time than obsess over your 'performance'. you just can't bear the thought of someone messing with those numbers of yours can you? i bet you have all your games analysed in hundreds of ways and all entered in neat little Excel spreadsheets don't you?
And now you are bringing in other sites - my God, maybe we should form a Chess Interpol to track cheats between different sites...