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-Removed-I am always amused that most of my 'Remain' friends also support reform of the House of Lords, on the basis that unelected people should not have so much influence over the laws we all have to abide my.
Yet the Commission has far greater powers than the House of Lords.
The reality, I have always suspected, is that many people who support Remain simply prefer the type of politics that tend to dominate Europe.
So tacitly admitting that if they cannot achieve their means democratically, they are happy to do so undemocratically. As demonstrated by the fact that they are already agitating to ignore the referendum result.
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-Removed-No. You tried to compare/conflate a bureaucrat with an elected representative, disingenuously I would say [in view of your obvious political literacy] in order to make a Daily Mail-esque debating point. The Brexit case can be made without resort to things like The Kinnock Meme, I think. 😉
Originally posted by Rank outsiderThe Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, who will extricate the country - or at least begin to do so - from the European Union, will now be selected by a simple majority of the - what is it now? - the 175,000 paid up members of the Conservative Party around the towns and shires of Britain, so I think there might be more than one undemocratic mechanism in play at the moment. 🙂
So tacitly admitting that if they cannot achieve their means democratically, they are happy to do so undemocratically. As demonstrated by the fact that they are already agitating to ignore the referendum result.
-Removed-I certainly think a case can be made for a democratic deficit but it is surely that legislators of other countries passed legislation that affected the British people rather than because of what commissioners did. It would be like slamming British democracy because it has an unelected civil service. 😉
Originally posted by tunnockBefore the Scottish referendum most Scots that wanted to leave the union cited Norway as an example of a relatively small populated country that is doing well economically .
I can see no good reason to leave the EU and is a vote based on lies and misinformation really democracy? As far as I'm concerned the UK has run it"s course as a political entity and as a Scot I hope we'll be saying adieu asap.
Norway is not a member of the EU .
When you get independence from the union ,and I hope you do, Scotland will have to try a strike its own deal with the EU ( if the EU is still around ) and there will be no free prescriptions and university free -bees from Westminster .
Good luck .
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Originally posted by phil3000Norway is however a member of the EEA with free access to the internal market and free movement of people. Examples of European countries which are not are Albania, Macedonia and Serbia. Maybe the UK will be able to have some free trade agreements with them?
Before the Scottish referendum most Scots that wanted to leave the union cited Norway as an example of a relatively small populated country that is doing well economically .
Norway is not a member of the EU .
When you get independence from the union ,and I hope you do, Scotland will have to try a strike its own deal with the EU ( if the EU is still around ...[text shortened]... nd there will be no free prescriptions and university free -bees from Westminster .
Good luck .