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Originally posted by RingtailhunterYes Mike, from the time before I subscribed and used to muck about with the site and resign unfinished games without a care, to the point where I subscribed and started to play seriously as you would when you've committed money to playing at the site. This is ancient history and serves to prove that you can't suspect someone simply for losing a game, I still blunder now, or play pissed or tired. I can't be burnt at the stake for being an inconsistent player, for Christ sake!
No1
I would have to say it happened between here: http://www.redhotpawn.com/core/viewpublicgames.php?&isminiboard=true&p1uid=45881&showgamescode=F&page=76
And here: http://www.redhotpawn.com/core/viewpublicgames.php?&isminiboard=true&p1uid=45881&showgamescode=F&page=73
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I would be the first to admit I'm not a 2000+ player, I can't sustain a 2000+ rating and never have, if you actually look at the evidence of the games, you'll probably find that I only attained 2000+ through timing out higher rated opponents anyway.
Why can't you just accept that people are human, they don't play like machines at a constant ability, it changes with mood, tiredness, alcohol, time, and I have never been any different at this site. In fact, I'm probably one of the most human players this site has seen!
Originally posted by Steve ExeterI don't think that I know of any high rated chess chess players in my club that would bother playing a game if they did not play it well. I have been playing and paying on this site since the stars were a nice donation, and have played drunken rubbish since then when online. (I don't drink anymore since very recently). Money aint got nothin to do with the level you think at.
Yes Mike, from the time before I subscribed and used to muck about with the site and resign unfinished games without a care, to the point where I subscribed and started to play seriously as you would when you've committed money to playing at the site. This is ancient history and serves to prove that you can't suspect someone simply for losing a game, ...[text shortened]... sed or tired. I can't be burnt at the stake for being an inconsistent player, for Christ sake!
Originally posted by Steve ExeterWell, about all I can say is to start over. If what you say is true then they should not be able to touch you...right?
I would be the first to admit I'm not a 2000+ player, I can't sustain a 2000+ rating and never have, if you actually look at the evidence of the games, you'll probably find that I only attained 2000+ through timing out higher rated opponents anyway.
Why can't you just accept that people are human, they don't play like machines at a constant ab ...[text shortened]... ifferent at this site. In fact, I'm probably one of the most human players this site has seen!
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That is a very narrow view though Mike. I don't play chess in clubs, until I started playing here I hadn't played chess since my teens. I'm sorry that I don't fit into a classic cut out of what a serious Chess player ought to be - the truth is when I mucked about with this site before subscribing I had no idea that I would still be using it 2 years later.
I didn't care about ratings or resigning games then, and the accusations of cheating came up at the time and they were dealt with. There is no more evidence now than there was then that I "turned on" an engine the day I subscribed. I think those players who's graphs show a level of 2000+ play from day one are surely more suspicious than my wonky one.
Originally posted by RingtailhunterGranted that he played very badly when he first joined, I don't see any extended winning streaks like tlai's and JW's. His results seem better in February, 2004 5 months after joining the site, but there doesn't appear to be a sharp increase without any losses. But if the Game Mods tell me that they believe he started using an engine at that time, I'd analyze the games although if they have already analyzed them they could simply share.
No1
I would have to say it happened between here: http://www.redhotpawn.com/core/viewpublicgames.php?&isminiboard=true&p1uid=45881&showgamescode=F&page=76
And here: http://www.redhotpawn.com/core/viewpublicgames.php?&isminiboard=true&p1uid=45881&showgamescode=F&page=73
Originally posted by Steve ExeterHey Exy,
I've had just about enough of this nonsense. My rating / graph rise was examined and thoroughly discussed at the time.
http://www.chessatwork.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=9314
There is no evidence through looking at my games / stlye of play / that I use Fritz or Crafty or anything else. I admitted that I use Winboard as my move tool, unfo ...[text shortened]... oint cannot give anyone "varied and conclusive" enough evidence that would ever be convincing.
So, you claim that during your first 6 months here, during your pre-subscription games, you resigned a bunch of unfinished games just so you could start up new games (because you were limited to 6 concurrent games). But I've looked at about 4 pages worth of your earliest games, covering that 6 month interim, and I haven't found any games you resigned that weren't clear losses for you. So, I'm a bit confused about this claim of yours. Could you point out a couple games from before February 04 where you resigned a game just in order to start a new game?
Cheers.
Originally posted by no1marauderHow about taking a look at my wins in the Beta Free For All, the first tournament I entered here.
Granted that he played very badly when he first joined, I don't see any extended winning streaks like tlai's and JW's. His results seem better in February, 2004 5 months after joining the site, but there doesn't appear to be a sharp increase without any losses. But if the Game Mods tell me that they believe he started using an engine at that time, I'd analyze the games although if they have already analyzed them they could simply share.
To be honest, No1, analyse any or all of the games from March 2004 and I'm sure you'll come to the same conclusions that Eyeqpc did at the time.
Are the Game Mods seriously saying that the only hard evidence they have that I'm a cheat is that they have secretly detected a known engine on my PC? If there is any more evidence than that, if you can point to computer log files that can prove that a move recommended to me by the engine was then copied by me in an RHP game then why not show it?
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Originally posted by bbarrGame 268608 I will get more, but at a glance, this one is very typical!
Hey Exy,
So, you claim that during your first 6 months here, during your pre-subscription games, you resigned a bunch of unfinished games just so you could start up new games (because you were limited to 6 concurrent games). But I've looked at about 4 pages worth of your earliest games, covering that 6 month interim, and I haven't found any games you res ...[text shortened]... rom before February 04 where you resigned a game just in order to start a new game?
Cheers.
Originally posted by Steve ExeterAfter Nc3d5 I would have resigned too. White clearly has a winning position here.
Game 268608 I will get more, but at a glance, this one is very typical!
Originally posted by Steve ExeterThat's just the thing, though, Exy. This game is not typical at all. From the time you joined until February '04, the vast, vast majority of your losses were either instances of being checkmated or of your resigning when in clearly losing positions. I can't find any other games like the one you point out above. But, if the game you point out above is typical, then you ought to be able to provide more than a handful of other instances from your first 6 months here. What I do see, when looking back over your games from the first 6 months, is you getting consistently beaten, and badly, from many players with ratings lower than 1100.
Game 268608 I will get more, but at a glance, this one is very typical!
Originally posted by Steve ExeterI would be happy to analyze any set of games IF the Game Mods give me some indication that the games I analyze were used in the determination that you used an engine. Otherwise, I'm wasting my time. I've already analyzed 14 of your games - 12 with me, 1 with Nyxie and your win over Dave Tebb and my conclusion is that there is no indication of engine use that I can find. I presume if they were to give me an explanation of why those games don't show evidence of engine use (which they won't) they would simply say those weren't games where you used an engine. Thus, for me to start analyzing other games only for it not to be considered of any probative worth (as my other analyses are not) would be a considerable waste of my time as to do any sort of decent game analyses requires 1-3 hours per game depending on game length.
How about taking a look at my wins in the Beta Free For All, the first tournament I entered here.
To be honest, No1, analyse any or all of the games from March 2004 and I'm sure you'll come to the same conclusions that Eyeqpc did at the time.
Are the Game Mods seriously saying that the only hard evidence they have that I'm a cheat is that they ...[text shortened]... move recommended to me by the engine was then copied by me in an RHP game then why not show it?
Originally posted by arrakisYou can include myself in this statement too
No1, Ragnorak and myself aren't writing in here to defend Exy... the 3 of us are writing our views to defend innocent users in the future. Since we endorsed the mod team we want to make sure they are taking the right path.
Right guys?
(despite still not being convinced that Exy was a cheat) ...
And I can only hope that Russ himself does not have the final word over any player being analysed, whether or not he/she is getting banned as he hasn't got a clue about chess (brilliant side, but no chess skills) ...
And the fact that this particular thread is NOT dying simply re-inforces the fact that at least a good part of the RHP community is not satisfied with recent events
Regards
Boris
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