Originally posted by Fat LadyI belive Fisher once made that exact mistake against Spassky!
I'm playing two games against Opaline at the moment. I didn't think I was playing against an engine until his 25th move in this game: Game 3689355.
25. ... Bxh2 is a move no strong human player would ever make - everyone knows that this is a poison pawn and that the bishop is trapped after g3. An engine might think that the bishop is safe on h2 bec any rating points from these games now, I should have accepted his draw offer this morning!
(but yes, most human players would not play that)
^edit --- hehe, I should read more carefully, 2 people have already alluded to this! damn it!
Maybe russ or chris discuss with the players that their moves are similar to that of an engines? Although it's pretty hard to say that someone uses an engine without a confession, After all they could just happen to want to play a certain move that matches what an engine would do at the time. I don't see how you can enforce 3(b), there is just no way to prove or have "overwhelming evidence" aginst a player suspected of engine use, if your playing against an engine, just accept it and move on.
Originally posted by DawgHausYes, when I saw Opaline's move I immediately thought of the famous Fischer blunder, but of course that was different because the TV cameras were disturbing him and so he couldn't concentrate...
Well, except for one obvious exception circa 1972. 😀
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1044722
It's not just one game; it's a long pattern of computer-like play over many games - the sort of pattern that's not possible to duplicate accidently. There likely are bordeline cases, but all of these resolve in favor of not banning (or so I'm told).
For very strong players (myself included at the low end of this group), certain moves and patterns of play appear strikingly non-human - with Bxh2 above being just one example. These kinds of moves are qualitively different than moves that a similarly-strong human might play. It's always a little depressing to see a move like that show up in the ol' Inbox. Luckily it doesn't happen too often.
Originally posted by Fat LadyFat Lady- Didnt they change that rule? I remember not that long ago Dragon Fire had games against a cheater, Steve something, and it let him T/O him afterwards.
I'm playing two games against Opaline at the moment. I didn't think I was playing against an engine until his 25th move in this game: Game 3689355.
25. ... Bxh2 is a move no strong human player would ever make - everyone knows that this is a poison pawn and that the bishop is trapped after g3. An engine might think that the bishop is safe on h2 bec ...[text shortened]... any rating points from these games now, I should have accepted his draw offer this morning!
Plus I think Jimster and Kingcaptured were T/O'ed and they arent over 2300 anymore (checked and Kingcaptured is below 2200 now and he was pushing 2400 when he was booted).
So I think you will be good. I think they changed that rule so at least some of the players who were screwed by a cheat can at least get something back if they are still playing them.
Originally posted by Fat LadyI may not be strong, but I've done it once or twice here, and multiple times in blitz. 😳 sometimes you just get the craziest brain freeze, especially when you're tired.
25. ... Bxh2 is a move no strong human player would ever make - everyone knows that this is a poison pawn and that the bishop is trapped after g3.
hope I'll never do it anymore, but then again, I thought I never would after the first time... it's just one of those things that sometimes happen, like dropping a queen for a 1-mover.