Originally posted by ThinkOfOne23 All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”
You don't seem to have any idea what point he was making.
Not when you're saying things like, ""all the exterior stuff Jesus says is no longer sinful", "Jesus agreed with the punishment of death for homosexuals because it is sin" and so on.
You haven't a clue.
Haven't a clue? Sins come from the inside, not the outside. The message is simple and clear, which is why circumcision was no longer required. Maybe one day God will open your eyes.
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Originally posted by EladarYes. You haven't a clue.
[b]23 All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”
Haven't a clue? Sins come from the inside, not the outside. The message is simple and clear, which is why circumcision was no longer required. Maybe one day God will open your eyes.[/b]
Your position is incoherent.
For example, first you said ,""The NT does not declare sin no longer sin, with the exception of the food laws."
Then you said "I agree with Jesus, those are not sins" in response to the following question:
Do you believe similarly when it comes to "plant[ing] your field with two kinds of seed", "wear[ing] clothing woven of two kinds of material", "cut[ting] the hair at the sides of your head or clip[ping] off the edges of your beard", etc.?
You're just spewing whatever nonsense pops into your mind in your desperate attempts to prop up your bigotry against homosexuality.
I clarified my position once you brought up other old yestament stuff that no longer applies.
What still applies, Jesus makes a list and explains why.
You are a lost liberal who believes sexual sin is no longer sin. As a matter of fact I doubt you believe lifestyle choice can lead to damnation. You are Satan's child.
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Originally posted by Eladar"...clarified my postion..." lol. Evidently you have too much pride to admit the truth which is that you're just continuing to spew whatever nonsense pops into your mind in your desperate attempts to prop up your bigotry against homosexuality.
I clarified my position once you brought up other old yestament stuff that no longer applies.
What still applies, Jesus makes a list and explains why.
You are a lost liberal who believes sexual sin is no longer sin. As a matter of fact I doubt you believe lifestyle choice can lead to damnation. You are Satan's child.
You are a lost liberal who believes sexual sin is no longer sin. As a matter of fact I doubt you believe lifestyle choice can lead to damnation. You are Satan's child.
Like I said.
Your bigotry keeps flowing out. Your hatred blinds you to the truth.
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneIt isn't my bigotry, it is God's bigotry against sin that you see.
"...clarified my postion..." lol. Evidently you have too much pride to admit the truth which is that you're just continuing to spew whatever nonsense pops into your mind in your desperate attempts to prop up your bigotry against homosexuality.
[b]You are a lost liberal who believes sexual sin is no longer sin. As a matter of fact I doubt you believe li ...[text shortened]... ld.
Like I said.
Your bigotry keeps flowing out. Your hatred blinds you to the truth.[/b]
We all have our issues with sin, but some want to claim that sin is not sin. These people are children of Satan, of which there are many around here.
Originally posted by EladarOf course it's YOUR bigotry. Just like the KKK, you try to use the bible as a weapon to further your bigotry. Just as it's their bigotry, it's your bigotry. The pattern is to keep repeating the same claims no matter how unsound - no matter that your position is incoherent. As I pointed out earlier:
It isn't my bigotry, it is God's bigotry against sin that you see.
We all have our issues with sin, but some want to claim that sin is not sin. These people are children of Satan, of which there are many around here.
Your position is incoherent.
For example, first you said ,""The NT does not declare sin no longer sin, with the exception of the food laws."
Then you said "I agree with Jesus, those are not sins" in response to the following question:
Do you believe similarly when it comes to "plant[ing] your field with two kinds of seed", "wear[ing] clothing woven of two kinds of material", "cut[ting] the hair at the sides of your head or clip[ping] off the edges of your beard", etc.?
You're just spewing whatever nonsense pops into your mind in your desperate attempts to prop up your bigotry against homosexuality.
For you the pattern will no doubt continue. You've already created yet another thread expressly for that purpose.
Originally posted by Eladar
Is there anyway we can know here on earth individuals who are eternally redeemed and who are not?
Is there anyway we can know here on earth individuals who are eternally redeemed and who are not?
Yes. But we are not omniscient in this.
I think there are two sides to this matter.
On one side we should not seek to be ambiguous but clear.
On the other side we should recognize that we simply cannot know as God knows.
Originally posted by sonshipSo you dont know. Just say that then.Is there anyway we can know here on earth individuals who are eternally redeemed and who are not?
Yes. But we are not omniscient in this.
I think there are two sides to this matter.
On one side we should not seek to be ambiguous but clear.
On the other side we should recognize that we simply cannot know as God knows.
Why all the forked tongue language and all the playing with words.
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Your hatred blinds you to the truth.
You might consider if some blindness to the truth is not a problem with you also.
That Christ is not alive, not available, not exalted to the throne and not at the right hand of God very much blinds you in unbelief.
Now it seems that to dismiss these things as the writings of someone with poor reading comprehension skills may be a convenient for you. But you cannot help the man if your "cure" is as bad or worst than the illness you want to treat.
You cannot help him because you cannot point him to the living Jesus Christ.
You can only suggest he be a better person according to Humanism.
It doesn't matter how much you pound on this man - " Bigot. Be better! Bigot. Be better!"
Because there is only ONE victorious Person in this and in any other regard - the resurrected and living Jesus Christ, who unfortunately has absolutely no place in your "Jesus while He walked on Earth" Humanism.
Originally posted by sonshipYes, really? We know what is in a person's heart?Is there anyway we can know here on earth individuals who are eternally redeemed and who are not?
Yes. But we are not omniscient in this.
I think there are two sides to this matter.
On one side we should not seek to be ambiguous but clear.
On the other side we should recognize that we simply cannot know as God knows.
Originally posted by EladarWe often know what is in a person's heart.
Yes, really? We know what is in a person's heart?
We do not always know. Only God knows the hearts of men WITHOUT error.
Concerning who is a real Christian and who is not, the parable of Matthew 13:24-30 with its interpretation provide directly by Jesus in Matthew 13:36-43 show that Christians cannot know with infallibility all genuine believers.
Though we should seek to know the fact of the matter is that we will make mistakes sometimes. That is the lesson of that teaching.
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Originally posted by sonshipUntil the race is complete, we will never have a clue how people, even ourselves, will react. We can have hope, but until something happens we will never know.
We often know what is in a person's heart.
We do not always know. Only God knows the hearts of men WITHOUT error.
Concerning who is a real Christian and who is not, the parable of [b]Matthew 13:24-30 with its interpretation provide directly by Jesus in Matthew 13:36-43 show that Christians cannot know with infallibility all genuine beli ...[text shortened]... fact of the matter is that we will make mistakes sometimes. That is the lesson of that teaching.[/b]
God will declare the winners once the race is completed.
In this forum there are so many weeds masquerading as wheat. All they do is propagate Satan's lies.
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Originally posted by sonshipWhen Jesus began His ministry he quoted from the Book of Isaiah:Your hatred blinds you to the truth.
You might consider if some blindness to the truth is not a problem with you also.
That Christ is not alive, not available, not exalted to the throne and not at the right hand of God very much blinds you in unbelief.
Now it seems that to dismiss these things as the writings of someone with poor readi ...[text shortened]... t, who unfortunately has absolutely no place in your "Jesus while He walked on Earth" Humanism.
Luke 4
16And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. 17And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,
18“THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME,
BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR.
HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES,
AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND,
TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED,
19TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.”
20And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”
Jesus clearly stated His purpose. The purpose for which He was anointed. Messiah means "anointed one":
1) To preach His gospel - These are the words He spoke while He walked the Earth.
2) To give sight to the blind - To open the eyes of those blind to the will of God which is contained in His gospel.
3) To set free the captives - To FREE those who abide in His word from the slavery of committing sin. To FREE those who abide in His gospel.
I advocate the gospel according to Jesus.
You advocate the gospel according to those other than Jesus.
You can keep trying to twist this into something else, but it is what it is.
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Jesus clearly stated His purpose. The purpose for which He was anointed. Messiah means "anointed one":
I am firmly attached to the Anointed One.
Are you firmly attached to Christ the Anointed One ?
"But the One who firmly attaches us with you unto Christ and has anointed us is God." ( 2 Cor. 1:21)
Are you "FIRMLY ATTACHED" to Christ ThinkOfOne?
Or are you strongly aloof and separated from Christ preferring your philosophy instead?
1) To preach His gospel - These are the words He spoke while He walked the Earth.
This is the betraying kiss of Judas.
While posturing to be a follower of Jesus you really believe He is no longer alive.
You're a very deceived man.
The Gospel is the unserachable riches of Christ according to the faithful apostle Paul.
"To me, less than the least of all saints, was this grace given to announce to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ as the gospel." (Eph. 3:8)
Christ in resurrection can be unsearchably rich to those who believe into Him.
2) To give sight to the blind - To open the eyes of those blind to the will of God which is contained in His gospel.
And you actually count denying that Jesus Christ the Son of God died a redemptive death and rose from the dead is "sight to the blind" and an opening of the eyes to the will of God?
This is a shutting tight the eyes to what the New Testament proclaims.
3) To set free the captives - To FREE those who abide in His word from the slavery of committing sin. To FREE those who abide in His gospel.
I advocate the gospel according to Jesus.
No you don't.
I would never send anyone to you to learn about the gospel according to Jesus.
For you would teach them that Christ did not die for our sins a propitiatory offering and was raised by God on the third day.
But Jesus taught so:
" ... O foolish and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and enter into His glory? " (Luke 24:25b,26
Yes He was still on earth. After His resurrection for some 40 days He was still on earth.
"To whom also He presented Himself alive after His suffering by many irrefutable proofs, appearing to them through a period of forty days and speaking the things concerning the kingdom of God." (Acts 1:3)
My worst enemy I would not send to learn about the Gospel of Jesus from you.
That is not until you believe the Gospel of Jesus.
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Originally posted by sonshipJesus clearly stated His purpose. The purpose for which He was anointed. Messiah means "anointed one":
I am firmly attached to the Anointed One.
Are you firmly attached to Christ the Anointed One ?[b] "But the One who firmly attaches us with you unto Christ and has anointed us is God." ( 2 Cor. 1:21)
Are you ...[text shortened]... bout the Gospel of Jesus from you.
That is not until you believe the Gospel of Jesus.[/b]C'mon jaywill. How'd I know that you wouldn't actually address the content of my post?
Jesus clearly stated His purpose. The purpose for which He was anointed. Messiah means "anointed one":
1) To preach His gospel - These are the words He spoke while He walked the Earth.
2) To give sight to the blind - To open the eyes of those blind to the will of God which is contained in His gospel.
3) To set free the captives - To FREE those who abide in His word from the slavery of committing sin. To FREE those who abide in His gospel.
The above is the gospel according to Jesus. The above is the purpose for which He was anointed.
You advocate the gospel according to those other than Jesus.