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Originally posted by ThinkOfOne20 And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.
Verse 20 doesn't say " "all the exterior stuff ...is no longer sinful". Those are your words. Not His.
Since you still haven't answered the question, here it is again:
Do you believe similarly when it comes to "plant[ing] your field with two kinds of seed", "wear[ing] clothing woven of two kinds of material", "cut[ing] the hair at the sides of your h ...[text shortened]... clip[ing] off the edges of your beard", etc.?
Any chance you'll actually answer the question?
Sin comes from what proceeds out of the man.
This is the truth you can't stomach. It throws your heretical stance on its ear. You can either agree with God or receive your just reward.
Originally posted by EladarWell, it seems that you refuse to answer the question.
[b]20 And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.
Sin comes from what proceeds out of the man.
This is the truth you can't stomach. It throws your heretical stance on its ear. You can either confirm to God or receive your just reward.[/b]
In lieu of that, you've decided to make unfounded assertions.
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWhat question? The question of how a man sins?
Let's see.
You've repeatedly refused to answer the question. True or not true?
You are correct, I didn't answer it, Jesus did. I simply quoted it.
A man sins by his actions that come from his heart. Jesus the goes on to a specific list of the types of things he was talking about.
I described the same idea, you are simply unable to admit error since this would force you to admit your heretical point of view is in error. You can't do that.
Originally posted by EladarSince you still haven't answered the question, here it is again:
What question? The question of how a man sins?
You are correct, I didn't answer it, Jesus did. I simply quoted it.
A man sins by his actions that come from his heart. Jesus the goes on to a specific list of the types of things he was talking about.
I described the same idea, you are simply unable to admit error since this would force you to admit your heretical point of view is in error. You can't do that.
Do you believe similarly when it comes to "plant[ing] your field with two kinds of seed", "wear[ing] clothing woven of two kinds of material", "cut[ing] the hair at the sides of your head or clip[ing] off the edges of your beard", etc.?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI agree with Jesus, those are not sins.
Since you still haven't answered the question, here it is again:
Do you believe similarly when it comes to "plant[ing] your field with two kinds of seed", "wear[ing] clothing woven of two kinds of material", "cut[ing] the hair at the sides of your head or clip[ing] off the edges of your beard", etc.?
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Originally posted by sonshipIt still seems like that was what you were saying. We can be overcome sin, but if we not
I am not sure exactly how your comment is related.
Please read again exactly what I wrote.
I don't think I said that there are not more warnings.
Far from it.
I don't think I said there are only two.
And I don't think I said a Christian could not be overcome by the love of sin / self / world.
I think wrote exactly the opposite of that with my two passages from [b]1 Cor. 6, Gal. 5.
Wish I had more time this morning.[/b]
following the Lord sin will over come us. The life style choice that Eladar brought up was
a good description of the danger some face, it isn't that God cannot save us, but a sinner
rejecting God is still a sinner rejecting God.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne20 and 21 represents the generalization of the original statement.
If you want to understand what Jesus says in 7:20-21, try reading the chapter in its entirety.
Btw, I wasn't asking for you to explain 20 and 21, but for you to explain why your list should still be considered sinful.
Originally posted by EladarI know what you were asking. You don't seem to understand what Jesus was saying. So try reading the chapter in its entirety.
20 and 21 represents the generalization of the original statement.
Btw, I wasn't asking for you to explain 20 and 21, but for you to explain why your list should still be considered sinful.
20 And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, [h]fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, 22 deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, [i]envy, slander, [j]pride and foolishness. 23 All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”
I guess Jesus can't actually mean what he is actually saying.
Of course that was sarcasm. Jesus' words are direct and clear.
Originally posted by EladarYou don't seem to have any idea what point he was making.
[b]20 And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, [h]fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, 22 deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, [i]envy, slander, [j]pride and foolishness. 23 All these evil things proceed from w ...[text shortened]... n what he is actually saying.
Of course that was sarcasm. Jesus' words are direct and clear.
Not when you're saying things like, ""all the exterior stuff Jesus says is no longer sinful", "Jesus agreed with the punishment of death for homosexuals because it is sin" and so on.
You haven't a clue.