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You're version of Jesus burns millions, billions of people in hell for eternity because your Jesus is (in your opinion) responsible for hell.
Your belief is incoherent and wrong.
" ... what shall we say? Is the God who inflicts wrath unrighteous? I speak according to man." (See Romans 3:5)
Is God unrighteous who inflicts wrath ?
Answer it. - Yes or No.
Time to step away Divegeester ?
"But if our unrighteousness commends the righteousness of God, what shall we say?
Is the God who inflicts wrath unrighteous? I speak according to man." (Rom. 3:5)
What do you say Divegeester:
Yes - the God is unrighteous who inflicts wrath ?
No - the God is not unrighteous who inflicts wrath ?
Take a position rather than cowardly sidetracking, evasion, and emotional appeal about "billions tortured".
I'll take a position. The God is not unrighteous "who inflicts wrath".
And I prefer to -
"... suffer evil with the Gospel according to the power of God." 2 Timothy 1:8
Now which position do you take ?
Do you want to suffer evil with the Gospel or do you intend to be a man-pleaser instead ?
Is the question TOO INCOHERENT for you Divegeester ?
" ... what shall we say? Is the God who inflicts wrath unrighteous? I speak according to man." (See Romans 3:5)
Yes - the God Who inflicts wrath is unrighteous ?
No - the God Who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous (He is righteous) ?
Which is your answer ?
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Originally posted by sonship
Is the question TOO INCOHERENT for you Divegeester ?[b] " ... what shall we say? Is the God who inflicts wrath unrighteous? I speak according to man." (See Romans 3:5)
Yes - the God Who inflicts wrath is unrighteous ?
No - the God Who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous (He is righteous) ?
Which is your answer ?[/b]You gave him 8 minutes to answer.
How do you even know he hasn't logged out?
"Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord..." (James 5)
Originally posted by sonship[b] " ... what shall we say? Is the God who inflicts wrath unrighteous? I speak according to man." (See Romans 3:5)
Its a hellish responsibility to take a position ?
"Give me a break. I'm not here 24/7"
Come on big mouth. " Is the God who inflicts wrath unrighteous ? "
Yes ?
No ?[/b]English Comprehension ... go take a course Mr Chinaman. It will help you immensely.
Wrath of God does not equate to eternal torment.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeHey, I thought you might submit something from your own system like this one -
You gave him 8 minutes to answer.
How do you even know he hasn't logged out?
"Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord..." (James 5)
“If you are surrounded by people who not only don't believe in your goals and your positive outlook on life, but who also continually try to tear you down, it will be extremely challenging for you to hold firmly in mind that you will succeed and that you can be happy.”
― Chris Prentiss, Zen and the Art of Happiness
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Originally posted by Rajk999
English Comprehension ... go take a course Mr Chinaman. It will help you immensely.
Wrath of God does not equate to eternal torment.
Wrath of God does not equate to eternal torment.
So in the case of Revelation 14:10,11 the smoke of their tormenting goes up forever and ever yet God's wrath comes to an end ?
The way it reads is that as long as the torment lasts God's wrath also lasts - forever.
" ... If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
He also shall drink of the wine of the fury of God, which is mixed undiluted in the cup of His WRATH; and he shall be tormented in fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb.
And the smoke of their tormenting goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." (Rev. 14:9b-11)
Are you suggesting that the wrath comes to an end but the tormenting continues forever and ever here ? It looks to me that in this case they are equated.
Originally posted by sonshipIn that case... yes. The wrath of God is against the Devil and his angels and the bible says they will be eternally tormented.Wrath of God does not equate to eternal torment.
So in the case of [b]Revelation 14:10,11 the smoke of their tormenting goes up forever and ever yet God's wrath comes to an end ?
The way it reads is that as long as the torment lasts God's wrath also lasts - forever.
[quote] " ... If anyone worships the beast and his ...[text shortened]... nting continues forever and ever here ? It looks to me that in this case they are equated.[/b]
Lumping every innocent human in that because they know nothing about God is dumb.
Originally posted by EladarThat's a valid answer if you don't know what hell is.
You think too much in human terms. You ask all the wrong questions which is grounded in believing God is limited as man is limited.
But hey, it won't be long before you can see for yourself.
Politicians answer in exactly in this way when they don't know: "You are asking the wrong question".
I don't think anyone know. It's just a way to scare children.
Originally posted by sonship“Even a happy life cannot be without a measure of darkness, and the word happy would lose its meaning if it were not balanced by sadness. It is far better take things as they come along with patience and equanimity.”
Hey, I thought you might submit something from your own system like this one -“If you are surrounded by people who not only don't believe in your goals and your positive outlook on life, but who also continually try to tear you down, it will be extremely challenging for you to hold firmly in mind that you will succeed and that you can be happy.”
― Chris Prentiss, Zen and the Art of Happiness
Carl Jung
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI disagree, there is no need for darkness...we could live loving, happy, and caring lives
“Even a happy life cannot be without a measure of darkness, and the word happy would lose its meaning if it were not balanced by sadness. It is far better take things as they come along with patience and equanimity.”
Carl Jung
without ever having to experience darkness, evil, lust, greed, and the measure of it would
be the joy we feel.
Hell is going to have several cast into it, but it always be due to evil they have done, their
sin will be on full display, and without the grace offered, they will end up where all who do
evil will go. There will be no room for evil in the Kingdom to come, and anyone who does it
has a place that was not meant for them, but will receive them nonetheless.
The distain about how long people could be there will not change this is where the
majority are heading.
Originally posted by KellyJayBut you don't know for sure, are you?
Hell is going to have several cast into it, but it always be due to evil they have done, their
sin will be on full display, and without the grace offered, they will end up where all who do
evil will go. There will be no room for evil in the Kingdom to come, and anyone who does it
has a place that was not meant for them, but will receive them nonetheless. ...[text shortened]... in about how long people could be there will not change this is where the
majority are heading.
If you tell me that you are sure, then I will repost the same questions to you as I did before.
Just to show you that you don't know. Nor anyone.