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Originally posted by rwingettBut you cannot act in accordance with that belief?
You're free to believe it.
Originally posted by rooktakesqueenI believe I'm right about a lot of things, but even within my beliefs
if christians are 100% certain that they're belief is the right one and god is a christian god, would that be implying that every other religion is wrong, and so offended two thirds of the world's population?
Originally posted by rooktakesqueenAccording to this, Christians and everyone else that claims 100% exclusivity to God is 100% in error hiding behind the Great Wall of Language.
if christians are 100% certain that they're belief is the right one and god is a christian god, would that be implying that every other religion is wrong, and so offended two thirds of the world's population?
Originally posted by lucifershammerYes, one might. But if you said your reason for doing so was because you considered their lifestyle 'sinful' due to your religious beliefs, I don't think you'd get very far. You'd have to invent some other supposedly non-religious reason to push your agenda.
That wouldn't help save their souls, would it?
However, one might oppose legislation permitting people living in a homosexual relationship from adopting.
Originally posted by rwingettI suppose so. Although there might always be non-religious reasons in addition to religious ones even if the religious ones provide the greater motivation.
Yes, one might. But if you said your reason for doing so was because you considered their lifestyle 'sinful' due to your religious beliefs, I don't think you'd get very far. You'd have to invent some other supposedly non-religious reason to push your agenda.
Originally posted by lucifershammerYes, but you could never get legislation against homosexual adoption passed on purely religious grounds. It would fail every time. Even though most people could see that your motivation was purely religious, you'd have to pretend it wasn't and invent some other reasons to cover your tracks. Only by distancing it from your religious beliefs could you get such a measure passed. Thus we see the legal sleight of hand and backdoor legislation currently favored by religious groups, such as the ID crowd.
I suppose so. Although there might always be non-religious reasons in addition to religious ones even if the religious ones provide the greater motivation.
Originally posted by rooktakesqueenThis is a very all or nothing way of putting it. There is truth in every religion. Islam is very close to Christianity in a lot of ways so it can't be completely wrong. If I say that 2+2 =4 , it doesn't mean that 2+2= 4.25 isn't quite close to being right as well , but then again 4.25 is the wrong answer looked at another way , but it's closer than 28.
if christians are 100% certain that they're belief is the right one and god is a christian god, would that be implying that every other religion is wrong, and so offended two thirds of the world's population?
Originally posted by knightmeisterDoes it matter if you are narrowly sent to hell, or were sent there with gusto? If you don't accept Jesus as your personal savior, you'll go to hell. Am I right? Every Muslim, without fail, will burn in the lake of fire, regardless of how peripherally close they were to christianity. Or am I mistaken? Can Muslims go to heaven without accepting Jesus as their savior? Since limbo has been officially swept under the rug, it does seem to be an either / or proposition.
This is a very all or nothing way of putting it. There is truth in every religion. Islam is very close to Christianity in a lot of ways so it can't be completely wrong. If I say that 2+2 =4 , it doesn't mean that 2+2= 4.25 isn't quite close to being right as well , but then again 4.25 is the wrong answer looked at another way , but it's closer than 28.
Originally posted by rwingettWell, it seems that most of the "backdoor legislation" appears to be coming from the [libertarian] courts, so I wouldn't put much store in that.
Yes, but you could never get legislation against homosexual adoption passed on purely religious grounds. It would fail every time. Even though most people could see that your motivation was purely religious, you'd have to pretend it wasn't and invent some other reasons to cover your tracks. Only by distancing it from your religious beliefs could you ...[text shortened]... of hand and backdoor legislation currently favored by religious groups, such as the ID crowd.
Originally posted by rooktakesqueenis this what you do in your spare time? criticize christianity? its getting old
if christians are 100% certain that they're belief is the right one and god is a christian god, would that be implying that every other religion is wrong, and so offended two thirds of the world's population?
Originally posted by rwingettGod does not send people to Hell , ultimately people send themselves , or had you forgotten about free will? There will be not a single person who genuinely asks for salvation who will be turned down. Everyone will be given a fair opportunity to receive Christ in a personal way , either in this life or the next so in the final reckoning heaven could easily be populated with millions of Atheists. No one who genuinely seeks will be turned away. You can't go to Hell "by accident" because God's going to do everything he possibly can (without taking away your free will) to take you with him. I even believe that many of us will receive Christ without even realising that we are because we will call it something else or the experience will be so subtle and sublime. The Bible also says that everyone will be judged on the quality of their own personal revelation so those from an Islamic culture will have that taken into account as well.
Does it matter if you are narrowly sent to hell, or were sent there with gusto? If you don't accept Jesus as your personal savior, you'll go to hell. Am I right? Every Muslim, without fail, will burn in the lake of fire, regardless of how peripherally close they were to christianity. Or am I mistaken? Can Muslims go to heaven without accepting Jesus as th ...[text shortened]... limbo has been officially swept under the rug, it does seem to be an either / or proposition.