Are gays okay?

@caissad4 said
Your god created all the animals ? He created their nature and inclinations ?
And about half of all sex in the animal kingdom is homosexual. Fact !
Your god shows a large discrepancy between what he says and what he does.
When your god created animals, he created homosexuality.
How did that happen ?

Much of the animal kingdom survives through murder and eating. Some animals practice cannibalism.

Many animals form packs where only a single male is allowed to mate, and sometimes that male kills all of the male offspring he comes across to cull out competitors besides his own.

There are documented cases of cross species rape in the animal kingdom.

It's a jungle out there....

I don't think the attention was that creation is a reflection of perfection.

@philokalia said
Much of the animal kingdom survives through murder and eating. Some animals practice cannibalism.

Many animals form packs where only a single male is allowed to mate, and sometimes that male kills all of the male offspring he comes across to cull out competitors besides his own.

There are documented cases of cross species rape in the animal kingdom.

It's a jungle out there....

I don't think the attention was that creation is a reflection of perfection.

So your god deliberately created animals which engage in murder and cannibalism.
Do you agree that they are acting within the nature which god intended when he created animals ?

@fmf said
Do you not believe that your God figure created heterosexuality and homosexuality?

Really? I really don't know why I should even be trying to answer this to you as the bible clearly explains this so simply that a 10 year old could read and get it by just a couple scriptures.
Is this what you really think God would have had a part in this? I think you need to pick up your bible and read God's words on relations between a man and a women a lot, lot more....

@caissad4 said
So your god deliberately created animals which engage in murder and cannibalism.
Do you agree that they are acting within the nature which god intended when he created animals ?

Uh...this is why they are called animals? This is why the huge gap exist between us and all animals.
Also this is really not murder but a natural process in the animal kingdom.
Aren't you glad for that? I doubt you'd like a couple million rabbits in your front yard, right?

@galveston75 said
Really? I really don't know why I should even be trying to answer this to you as the bible clearly explains this so simply that a 10 year old could read and get it by just a couple scriptures.
Is this what you really think God would have had a part in this? I think you need to pick up your bible and read God's words on relations between a man and a women a lot, lot more....

So, if not your God figure, do you think "Satan" created it?

@caissad4 said
So your god deliberately created animals which engage in murder and cannibalism.
Do you agree that they are acting within the nature which god intended when he created animals ?

I am not sure what to say because I'm not a theologian. I believe that.... Creation is not a reflection of perfection, but it is also beautiful and wonderful.

It is said that one day the lion will lay down with the lamb, and I believe this is when nature will come full circle.

Certainly, just as how the diseased child is a natural occurrence but is not a reflection of divine will per Se, the horrors within nature also are not.

The world has a fallen aspect to it.

But again, if you hold my feet to the fire I'll need a few hours to research the appropriate positions. But I am just trying to discuss this casually now.

@philokalia said
OK, so the denial of Christ by action is worse than the denial of Christ with words. I understand that, and that is not even a bad way to think. In fact, it could be quite true in many ways. Hypocrisy is a great crime.

But, let us say that someone is generally a good person [i]yet actively denies the truth of God, and even believes that some of the aspects of Christ's ...[text shortened]... ering of standards for everyone else that you seem to be hinting at in this last post htat you made?

You are asking a lot of off topic questions here. How about if I start another thread ? Will you participate?

@fmf said
So, if not your God figure, do you think "Satan" created it?

What do you think seeing the descriptions in the bible of both of them? The bible say this about Satan...

John 8:44
You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.

There you go.....

@galveston75 said
What do you think seeing the descriptions in the bible of both of them? The bible say this about Satan...

John 8:44
You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.

There you go.....

So, it is your belief that "Satan" created homosexuality?

@fmf said
So, it is your belief that "Satan" created homosexuality?

All that is bad in the world ( do I need to itemize them? ) is because of Satan and his influence on humans.

@galveston75 said
All that is bad in the world ( do I need to itemize them? ) is because of Satan and his influence on humans.

I see. When you talk to your homosexual friends, how do you go about trying to persuade them to be heterosexuals?

@galveston75 said
All that is bad in the world ( do I need to itemize them? ) is because of Satan and his influence on humans.

Mankind was made flawed. The idea that man was made perfect is wrong. A perfect human being cannot be tempted with evil. Yet Adam and Eve succumbed to temptation.

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. (Genesis 3:5-6 KJV)

The woman saw, and was tempted because of her flawed nature.

I think you are giving Satan too much credit.

@galveston75 said
Uh...this is why they are called animals? This is why the huge gap exist between us and all animals.
Also this is really not murder but a natural process in the animal kingdom.
Aren't you glad for that? I doubt you'd like a couple million rabbits in your front yard, right?

So you are saying that your god consciously and deliberately created animals that engage in murder, cannibalism and homosexual behavior .
Don't humans engage in all these behaviors ? We are animals after all.

@fmf said
I see. When you talk to your homosexual friends, how do you go about trying to persuade them to be heterosexuals?

Who says I have homosexual friends? Could you please explain what your getting at and just get to it?

@caissad4 said
So you are saying that your god consciously and deliberately created animals that engage in murder, cannibalism and homosexual behavior .
Don't humans engage in all these behaviors ? We are animals after all.

Really? Are you serious? If you don't know the moral differences between humans and animals then I have no idea how to continue with what I think is a pretty clear cut subject.
But let me hear your version so maybe I can figure your opinions out.