21 May 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadI put forth the question as a result of it coming up on a recent documentary where the various people were talking about god (or atheism) during one episode.
So why bring attention to similarities if you are not claiming atheism is a religion? You could just as well have said we are all human. Of course we have similarities. No, you clearly wanted to argue that atheists behave in ways that are religious. Your error is to group atheists together and think atheism is what defines them or their behavior. Even in ...[text shortened]... non-Buddhists members of a single non-Buddhist religion even if they were to behave religiously.
It seems that there is more than one relatively intelligent person that would say atheism is like a religion.
(of course these people may not be all that intelligent, but I bet they still influence a lot of others views. )
22 May 15
Originally posted by karoly aczelAnd of course you also have ....
I put forth the question as a result of it coming up on a recent documentary where the various people were talking about god (or atheism) during one episode.
It seems that there is more than one relatively intelligent person that would say atheism is like a religion.
(of course these people may not be all that intelligent, but I bet they still influence a lot of others views. )
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24 May 15
Originally posted by karoly aczelA religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe. From their beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, people may derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle. Wikipedia
I put forth the question as a result of it coming up on a recent documentary where the various people were talking about god (or atheism) during one episode.
It seems that there is more than one relatively intelligent person that would say atheism is like a religion.
(of course these people may not be all that intelligent, but I bet they still influence a lot of others views. )
Atheism has all of this, they just deny what is before their eyes, just because God, or
gods are not part of their stories doesn't change they have stories that about the cosmos
and so on. More than a few different sources give this type of description.
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24 May 15
Originally posted by KellyJayThanks for the reminder Kelly that i need to take the rubbish out. (Hope they collect on a Bank Holiday).
A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe. From their beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, people may derive morality ...[text shortened]... at about the cosmos
and so on. More than a few different sources give this type of description.
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24 May 15
Originally posted by KellyJayYou're conflating atheism with science. To be an atheist is to reject religious claims. That's all it is. That's all it ever will be. Try as you might to compare our lack of beliefs with your own delusional world views.
A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe. From their beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, people may derive morality ...[text shortened]... at about the cosmos
and so on. More than a few different sources give this type of description.
Originally posted by KellyJayThis is what happens when you refuse to read certain posters posts. You end up saying something that has already been dealt with and you look stupid.
A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe. From their beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, people may derive morality ...[text shortened]... at about the cosmos
and so on. More than a few different sources give this type of description.
Anyway, for those who do read my posts and still don't get it, let me try again:
1. Many atheists do hold a collection of beliefs that fit well with the definition of religious beliefs.
2. Those collections of beliefs are not 'atheism'.
3. There are atheist Buddhists that hold Buddhist beliefs that could well be called religious beliefs. There are atheist Jews that hold Jewish beliefs that could well be called religious beliefs. Neither set could be called 'atheism'.
4. I myself am an atheist and have a number of beliefs about the meaning of life, the origin of life, the universe, human nature, a preferred lifestyle etc. However, many of those beliefs are identical to those of my parents and other family members who are all Christian. I think it would be quite obviously incorrect to label the set of beliefs I hold 'atheism'.
So in summary, there are religious atheists, but there is no religion reasonably called 'atheism'.
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24 May 15
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Originally posted by twhiteheadI tend to conflate religious and supernatural claims. I admit you're right, though. Being an atheist is strictly about not believing in deities. There's no word for rejecting supernatural claims in general, I suppose, but if there was such a word, it would describe me fairly well.
No, it isn't. It is to not hold a belief in the existence of a God or gods. An atheist can still accept other religious claims.
24 May 15
Originally posted by C HessSkeptic / skepticism or more specifically religious skepticism. Although you might want to be clear when you use it what you mean as it can have a wide range of meaning.
I tend to conflate religious and supernatural claims. I admit you're right, though. Being an atheist is strictly about not believing in deities. There's no word for rejecting supernatural claims in general, I suppose, but if there was such a word, it would describe me fairly well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skepticism
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24 May 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadMy dog is the perfect atheist. I admire his single minded focus on the priorities of life, never troubled with thoughts of the supernatural. Don't make him aware of this thread though. The buffet would be in serious jeopardy.
Skeptic / skepticism or more specifically religious skepticism. Although you might want to be clear when you use it what you mean as it can have a wide range of meaning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skepticism
24 May 15
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeNo, your dog's understanding of God is innate. Therefore, he doesn't feel the need to bother you about it. 🙂
My dog is the perfect atheist. I admire his single minded focus on the priorities of life, never troubled with thoughts of the supernatural. Don't make him aware of this thread though. The buffet would be in serious jeopardy.
24 May 15
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeLOL, you are a piece of work, reject anything that does not promote your views.
Thanks for the reminder Kelly that i need to take the rubbish out. (Hope they collect on a Bank Holiday).
I suppose you can feel secure in your thinking if never have to face what does not agree
with you.