Attributes of God

@divegeester said
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Seems like the lazy man's version of running away.

@kevin-eleven said
Seems like the lazy man's version of running away.

Try to stay on topic. Posting off topic is against the forum porting guidelines and could result in a ban.

@divegeester said
Why not answer K11’s specific question rather than post this slab of obfuscation?

If you find my answer lacking in some way, the decent thing to do would be share your take on it giving your wisdom and understanding towards what was asked. Unless you really don’t care and are just being difficult.

@kellyjay said
If you find my answer lacking in some way, the decent thing to do would be share your take on it giving your wisdom and understanding towards what was asked. Unless you really don’t care and are just being difficult.

My “take” on your reply to K-11 is that you are, as usual, avoiding his question by posting a slab of obfuscating faith speak.

@divegeester said
My “take” on your reply to K-11 is that you are, as usual, avoiding his question by posting a slab of obfuscating faith speak.

Thought so

@divegeester said
My “take” on your reply to K-11 is that you are, as usual, avoiding his question by posting a slab of obfuscating faith speak.

Your answer to the question is?

@kellyjay said
I am sorry that is a horrific thing having a child with health issues. As I told you we are living with the results of what we do the good and bad, from the very good and the very bad.

You realize it is not just biological issues raging through our race, you could have complained about murders, thieves, liars, and a host of other things.

We are a broken race living in ...[text shortened]... unaware, indifferent, He has entered into our life to save and redeem turning us to life from death.

Being or not being a murderer, a thief, a liar, or any of the other 'host of other things' are choices that we make. A kid born with and dying young as a result of a brain tumour, (in our example) courtesy of your always loving and righteous god would I'm sure like to have been given the chance to make those choices. If you really can't see the difference then try a bit harder.

According to you, your god does 'horrific' things (your words) to innocent children, who have done nothing to be judged upon in terms of anything good or bad that they have done. In what way do you think the child's life has been turned to life from death?

@indonesia-phil said
Being or not being a murderer, a thief, a liar, or any of the other 'host of other things' are choices that we make. A kid born with and dying young as a result of a brain tumour, (in our example) courtesy of your always loving and righteous god would I'm sure like to have been given the chance to make those choices. If you really can't see the difference then try a bi ...[text shortened]... d that they have done. In what way do you think the child's life has been turned to life from death?

Everyone has a date we are going to this leave this life. There are no promises for eternal life here, no age that is immune to leaving here. You feel cheated because life end is uncertain, maybe you think some deaths are evil and others good?

@kellyjay said
Everyone has a date we are going to this leave this life. There are no promises for eternal life here, no age that is immune to leaving here. You feel cheated because life end is uncertain, maybe you think some deaths are evil and others good?

What Indonesia Phil is putting to you appears to be something that you are not willing to tackle head-on. You just offer something generic instead. Interesting.

@fmf said
What Indonesia Phil is putting to you appears to be something that you are not willing to tackle head-on. You just offer something generic instead. Interesting.

Well hypothetical questions can get those types of answers. The issues about deaths are broader than a single made up death out of your imagination.

@kellyjay said
Well hypothetical questions can get those types of answers.

A "hypothetical question" does not mean that generic waffle is the correct response unless you are just being evasive because you cannot process the question.

Everything your God figure does is good, you say. Your God figure created the brain tumours that babies have, you say. And yet that is the goodness of your God figure, you say.

Can you demonstrate that your moral compass is not undermined or even broken by you feeling the need to recite this dogma?

@kellyjay said
Your answer to the question is?

@kevin-eleven asked
If God created evil along with everything else, then why should God be trusted?

@kellyjay’s response
The thing about truth is it has very exclusive properties, it is or not. As soon as God draws a line or a way to walk, anything else misses the mark. God is good and has
made us in His image; that is quite the statement if you think about it, we have attributes of God, but we can either love or hate. His nature is love, and he always acts out of that; he is also good, righteous, and holy and always acts out of them
without exception, without every diminishing one trait to satisfy another everything He does is always keeping His nature intact. He is good, He keeps His promises, and if you read the prayers of Jesus, the Father loves us as much as He does His
Son. He can do no less, but in keeping with love and righteousness, we are free to act as we will and not according to His nature; we act according to ours, which is a fallen one. His ever-lasting love for us made a way to Him through Christ that
satisfies all of the payment of the sins we owed. He can be trusted; we are the problem.

@divegeester’s response
The only way a person seeking God can rationalise, understand, the problem of “evil” in a way that makes any conceivable sense whatsoever … is to prioritise over anything the scriptures which speak of an ultimate reconciliation AND where eternal suffering does not even exist. A future for ALL mankind where God reconciles himself to the world, the entire past, present and future world. A gospel where Christ is the ultimate victor over death and suffering and is not the petty vindictive murdering psychopath which is frankly the version of God which you believe in kellyjay. It is not simply an “end justifies the means” argument it is one where free will is introduced, where evil is allowed to enter, where mankind makes choices and God, through Christ saves all people not just a “few”.

Now read your reply to Kevin Eleven and then read mine. And have a think why it is you find it so difficult to answer straight questions.

@fmf said
A "hypothetical question" does not mean that generic waffle is the correct response unless you are just being evasive because you cannot process the question.

Everything your God figure does is good, you say. Your God figure created the brain tumours that babies have, you say. And yet that is the goodness of your God figure, you say.

Can you demonstrate that your moral compass is not undermined or even broken by you feeling the need to recite this dogma?

A moral compass that isn't fixed on anything could never figure out what is good
or bad as it speculates and changes; there is nothing about an unfixed compass
that can help you. Neither can you fixate on something temporary and glean from
the importance of things eternal; there is no baseline.

@divegeester said
@kevin-eleven asked
If God created evil along with everything else, then why should God be trusted?

@kellyjay’s response
The thing about truth is it has very exclusive properties, it is or not. As soon as God draws a line or a way to walk, anything else misses the mark. God is good and has
made us in His image; that is quite the statement if you think about it, w ...[text shortened]... nd then read mine. And have a think why it is you find it so difficult to answer straight questions.

You are floating the notion that you can make judgment calls that take the simple
reading of scripture as it is and altering it so that you can make it fit with what you
think it should say, not what it does say. You are saying that God must accept the
evil in man as is and without repentance then reconcile them into Him past, present,
and future, and you do this not because of what is written, but because you think
that needs to be done to suit you. So what you are doing is not offering what the
scriptures say, but what you think, nothing more than that.

1 Peter 4:18
And “If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”

@kellyjay said
A moral compass that isn't fixed on anything could never figure out what is good
or bad as it speculates and changes; there is nothing about an unfixed compass
that can help you.

You are demonstrating that, in many instances, your moral compass is "fixed on" depraved, incoherent nonsense that even you can't defend without getting flusterred and defensive.