@kellyjay saidBeing or not being a murderer, a thief, a liar, or any of the other 'host of other things' are choices that we make. A kid born with and dying young as a result of a brain tumour, (in our example) courtesy of your always loving and righteous god would I'm sure like to have been given the chance to make those choices. If you really can't see the difference then try a bit harder.
I am sorry that is a horrific thing having a child with health issues. As I told you we are living with the results of what we do the good and bad, from the very good and the very bad.
You realize it is not just biological issues raging through our race, you could have complained about murders, thieves, liars, and a host of other things.
We are a broken race living in ...[text shortened]... unaware, indifferent, He has entered into our life to save and redeem turning us to life from death.
According to you, your god does 'horrific' things (your words) to innocent children, who have done nothing to be judged upon in terms of anything good or bad that they have done. In what way do you think the child's life has been turned to life from death?
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@indonesia-phil saidEveryone has a date we are going to this leave this life. There are no promises for eternal life here, no age that is immune to leaving here. You feel cheated because life end is uncertain, maybe you think some deaths are evil and others good?
Being or not being a murderer, a thief, a liar, or any of the other 'host of other things' are choices that we make. A kid born with and dying young as a result of a brain tumour, (in our example) courtesy of your always loving and righteous god would I'm sure like to have been given the chance to make those choices. If you really can't see the difference then try a bi ...[text shortened]... d that they have done. In what way do you think the child's life has been turned to life from death?
@kellyjay saidWhat Indonesia Phil is putting to you appears to be something that you are not willing to tackle head-on. You just offer something generic instead. Interesting.
Everyone has a date we are going to this leave this life. There are no promises for eternal life here, no age that is immune to leaving here. You feel cheated because life end is uncertain, maybe you think some deaths are evil and others good?
@fmf saidWell hypothetical questions can get those types of answers. The issues about deaths are broader than a single made up death out of your imagination.
What Indonesia Phil is putting to you appears to be something that you are not willing to tackle head-on. You just offer something generic instead. Interesting.
@kellyjay saidA "hypothetical question" does not mean that generic waffle is the correct response unless you are just being evasive because you cannot process the question.
Well hypothetical questions can get those types of answers.
Everything your God figure does is good, you say. Your God figure created the brain tumours that babies have, you say. And yet that is the goodness of your God figure, you say.
Can you demonstrate that your moral compass is not undermined or even broken by you feeling the need to recite this dogma?
@fmf saidA moral compass that isn't fixed on anything could never figure out what is good
A "hypothetical question" does not mean that generic waffle is the correct response unless you are just being evasive because you cannot process the question.
Everything your God figure does is good, you say. Your God figure created the brain tumours that babies have, you say. And yet that is the goodness of your God figure, you say.
Can you demonstrate that your moral compass is not undermined or even broken by you feeling the need to recite this dogma?
or bad as it speculates and changes; there is nothing about an unfixed compass
that can help you. Neither can you fixate on something temporary and glean from
the importance of things eternal; there is no baseline.
-Removed-You are floating the notion that you can make judgment calls that take the simple
reading of scripture as it is and altering it so that you can make it fit with what you
think it should say, not what it does say. You are saying that God must accept the
evil in man as is and without repentance then reconcile them into Him past, present,
and future, and you do this not because of what is written, but because you think
that needs to be done to suit you. So what you are doing is not offering what the
scriptures say, but what you think, nothing more than that.
1 Peter 4:18
And “If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”
@kellyjay saidYou are demonstrating that, in many instances, your moral compass is "fixed on" depraved, incoherent nonsense that even you can't defend without getting flusterred and defensive.
A moral compass that isn't fixed on anything could never figure out what is good
or bad as it speculates and changes; there is nothing about an unfixed compass
that can help you.