You are making yourself look even more stupid.
You are making yourself look like a liar.
WHERE is the MISQUOTATION from the Bible?
Produce my misquotation or you have the stain of bearing false witness on your character.
Retracting you untrue accusation would fix that at least before man.
Any MISTQUOTATION you accuse me of I would like to examine if I need to correct it. You will not so far PRODUCE it.
I do not assume on your word that I misquoted the Holy Bible because you don't agree with some interpretation I gave.
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Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
There is a difference in the interpretation of a Bible passage and the application of one often.
Taking this passage and using it as an encouragement to be charitable to those suffering in any regard is quite alright.
That is an application of what is taught here.
But the passage as to interpretation is prophecy. To interpret it you have to
know how the prophecy is fulfilled.
"But WHEN . . . the Son of Man comes in His glory and all the angels with Him, AT THAT TIME He will sit on the throne of His glory." (25:31)
This shows the prophetic nature of what is to come. It is not the last judgment after the millennium at the great white throne in Revelation 20.
This the beginning of the Messianic kingdom still within the old heaven and old earth.
The Son of Man sits on "the throne of His glory" from the beginning of the restoration, the "regeneration" or the millennial kingdom.
Matthew 19:28 - And Jesus said to them, Truly I say to you that you who have followed Me, in the RESTORATION, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you also will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
You, Rajk999, are going to ignore this detail and depend on the strength of your vitriolic denouncements. You cannot refute that the prophecy of Matthew 25:31-46 is about on the throne of His glory not at time of the great white throne after earth and heaven have fled away but at the beginning of the millennium.
The "great white throne" is a final judgment of all the dead. (Rev. 20:11,12)
This judgement at the beginning of the millennium is of those physically LIVING people who are dwelling on earth at the time the great tribulation closes and the Son of Man descends to Jerusalem to set up His one thousand year kingdom.
"Convoluted!" doesn't refute this careful detail.
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@sonship saidIt makes no difference [to me] whether it is before or after the millennial reign of Christ. Neither have I ever said which it is. So you can fight up with that passage, and twist and turn it, change the meaning all you want. There are several facts about that passage that you can ignore to your peril, which is that Jesus preached this same thing over and over in:
Taking this passage and using it as an encouragement to be charitable to those suffering in any regard is quite alright.
- the Good Samaritan
- The Rich Man and Lazarus
- The Wheat and the Tares
- The Sower and the Seed
- The Sermon on the Mount
- and others
These all point to one thing. Those who keep the commandments, live righteously and do good works are the ones who inherit the Kingdom of God. Paul and all the Apostles said exactly the same thing. All others will be cast out
You ignore that. Personally I choose to believe Christ, nobody else. Paul can say whatever he likes. I choose Christ. You choose. You like to delude yourself and believe that you know this, that and the other, but you are just a lost Christian promoting a whole bunch of false nonsensical doctrines.
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It makes no difference [to me] whether it is before or after the millennial reign of Christ.
That's too sloppy for me.
To ignore these details is to dumb down the Bible too much.
Neither have I ever said which it is.
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- the Good Samaritan
The Good Samaritan is a parable about what Jesus Christ does for the sinner.
He is the Good Samaritan.
- The Rich Man and Lazarus
The rich man and Lazarus sounds to me like something that happened and Jesus knew about during His ministry on earth. It could have been about a man who had ignored Jesus. He certainly ignored the Scriptures that he had.
I could not insist that it was an event that Jesus aware that had happened during His ministry. I could be mistaken.
But it seems perhaps Jesus had not YET been resurrected.
"But he [Abraham] said, If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead." (Luke 16:31)
So perhaps this happened while Jesus was on warning and preaching and had not YET been crucified and resurrected.
- The Wheat and the Tares
This is about the fact that sometimes even the Christians throughout history will be able to detect which of them is genuine and which are not.
- The Sower and the Seed
This is a parable about the result of being preached to with the word of the kingdom.
1.) Satan can steal from your heart so that the seed never takes root in you.
2.) The initial reception can be good but below the surface hard things in the heart prevent any further growth of the seed sown.
3.) The initial reception is good but other things like anxiety prevent the growth of the seed.
4.) The initial reception is followed by dealing with any and all kinds of problems in the heart. And to the degree the heart is dealt with, to that degree the seed of life produces fruit.
The fourth heart is not a heart without problems of the second and third heart.
The fourth heart is of a man who DEALS with those problems with patience, persistence, and diligence.
Only 1.) is unsaved.
Cases 2.) and 3.) are saved but defeated, unfruitful.
Case 4.) should be the normal Christian life.
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- The Sermon on the Mount
The Sermon on the Mount is Christ teaching men how to enter into the reality of the kingdom of the heavens. But His way of doing that was Him describing His own life, how He lived, how God wants us to be LIKE Jesus.
The Gospel of Matthew mostly is the DEMAND on His followers.
The Gospel of John is mostly on the SUPPLY to meet the DEMAND.
It is impossible to meet the demand of the kingdom without the supply of His life within.
How will you turn the other cheek?
How will you not lust?
How will you not be controlled by the riches you cling to?
How will you overcome anxiety?
How will you be perfect as the heavenly Father is perfect?
How will you have self control and not murder in your heart?
How will you meet the demand in Matthew?
You can do so by receiving the supply of Christ Himself as the life in the Gospel of John.
Jesus lived for 30 years and then came forth publicly to teach about the kingdom of the heavens. He described Himself. He taught men how to live in the light of His own living. Then He died and rose and became the life giving Spirit to indwell His followers to mingle with them as grace supplying to them the overcoming life if they would believe and cooperate with Him, abiding in Him.
- and others
These all point to one thing. Those who keep the commandments, live righteously and do good works are the ones who inherit the Kingdom of God. Paul and all the Apostles said exactly the same thing.
And I teach the same as they did. Let Christ the available living and resurrected Lord come into your being. And you learn with patience and practice to allow Him to live again on the earth, this time united with you.
The organic union is what overcomes the world.
You ignore that.
That's incorrect.
I do though emphasize the Source of the righteous living - Christ indwelling a man.
The LIFE connection to the available Victor Christ is what I emphasize.
Apart from Him we can do nothing.
Or apart from Him we may do a lot which will all amount in the end to nothing.
AND I speak from working models - the local churches.
Experience and not theory.
Personally I choose to believe Christ, nobody else. Paul can say whatever he likes.
This is foolish talk.
God came in Christ. And God provided some role models who pioneered in the experience of living through Christ. Paul certainly was one.
Your saying "I don't care what Paul wrote" is your DUMBING DOWN the New Testament. You should LEARN of him instead.
"Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ." (1 Cor. 11:1)
"And you became imitators of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction with joy of the Holy Spirit." (1 Thess. 1:6)
"I exhort you therefore, Become imitators of me." (1 Cor. 4:16)
@sonship saidTo be honest... keep your supply and demand nonsense ... lol 😀- The Sermon on the Mount
The Sermon on the Mount is Christ teaching men how to enter into the reality of the kingdom of the heavens. But His way of doing that was Him describing His own life, how He lived, how God wants us to be LIKE Jesus.
The Gospel of Matthew mostly is the DEMAND on His followers.
The Gospel of John is mostly on the SUPPLY to meet the DEMAND.
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@Rajk999
You are right, imo, to bring people's attention to being disqualified from inheriting the kingdom of God.
But their hope is "It is no longer I that live but Christ that lives within me."
the sooner the believer sees and learns this the more Righteousness Himself will spread, grow, and flow out of his living.
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What??!! Paul said that 2000 years ago. You are now seeing that?
Since posting on this Forum years ago I have seen it.
Spoken 2000 years ago?
As was Matthew 25:31-46.
As was The Good Samaritan parable.
As was the parable of the Sower and the seed.
To support your concern for obeying Christ rather than dismissing the Apostle Paul you should LEARN from him.
What a model of an overcomer he was.
What a pioneer in living Christ and inheriting the kingdom he was.
It is not by accident.
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@sonship saidPaul is a model fo me of course. Paul is not a replacement for Christ. Which he is for you. There is a clear pecking order as Paul himself stated :
To support your concern for obeying Christ rather than dismissing the Apostle Paul you should e was.
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How you constantly use Paul to override Christ is what is weird. People do that because Paul is easy to twist and arrive at a 'do nothing' doctrine, but Christ being who he is is cyrstal clear and hard hitting about sin and evil.
Paul is a model, nothing else
Christ is my teacher. I take my doctrine from Him.
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Paul is not a replacement for Christ. Which he is for you.
No I don't worship Paul.
I am not a fool to ignore that he was a gift given to men by Christ.
And He [Christ] Himself gave some apostles and some as prophets and some as evangelists and some as shepherds and teachers, for the perfecting of the saints unto the work of the ministry, unto the building up of the Body of Christ.
(Eph. 4:10,11)
But you don't care about the building up of the Body of Christ because you are fiercely and malignantly individualistic. You trust in no one except the one in the mirror.
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@sonship saidWell you go right ahead. You are building up nothing. Those who profess faith are nothing. It is only when one starts doing, then they become something. You build a church full of nobodies, who are heading for damnation.
@Rajk999Paul is not a replacement for Christ. Which he is for you.
No I don't worship Paul.
I am not a fool to ignore that he was a gift given to men by Christ.
[b]And He [Christ] Himself gave some apostles and some as prophets and some as evangelists and some as shepherds and teachers, for the perfecting of the saints unto the work of th ...[text shortened]... you are fiercely and malignantly individualistic. You trust in no one except the one in the mirror.
The teachings of Christ if followed builds brothers and sisters and mothers. These are Christ's brethren, the true sons and daughters of God. These make up the body of Christ.
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. (Matthew 12:50 KJV)
So you go your way. Let me go mine.