Avoid Eternal Punishment!

The requirement the Bible teaches for being saved is believing in the Son of God.

No verse I can think of says explicitly you must believe in torture from God to be saved. It says you must believe in Jesus is Lord and that God raised Him from the dead, and you shall be saved.

"That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

For with the heart there is believing unto righteousness, and with the mouth there is confession unto salvation." (Rom. 10:9,10)

@sonship said
The requirement the Bible teaches for being saved is believing in the Son of God.

No verse I can think of says explicitly you must believe in torture from God to be saved. It says you must believe in Jesus is Lord and that God raised Him from the dead, and you shall be saved.

"That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that ...[text shortened]... ving unto righteousness, and with the mouth there is confession unto salvation." (Rom. 10:9,10)

There are some saved born-again Christian saints who will get no inheritance in the Kingdom of God that means no eternal life, as Paul stated several times, and you deceitfully twist and manipulate these clear passage to mean something else.

Both the rewarded and the sufferer of loss have divine life.
The former case is rewarded for allowing that life to mature in a timely manner.
The latter is disciplined to suffer loss for neglecting this growth and producing of acceptable fruit, suitable building material for God's house.

Both are on the foundation which is Christ (v.11)

Resort now to your typical vitriol and gnashing your teeth at me because you can never undue the words -
" . . . he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."

@sonship said

There are some saved born-again Christian saints who will get no inheritance in the Kingdom of God that means no eternal life, as Paul stated several times, and you deceitfully twist and manipulate these clear passage to mean something else.

From one side of your mouth you say you would dismiss Paul and only listen to Jesus. Then from the other side of yo ...[text shortened]... scard the Apostle Paul's letters under the pretense of appealing only to the red letters of Gospels.

@Rajk999

The destroy in verse 16 logically is a CONTINUATION of Paul's thought that inferior materials will not be rewarded. They in fact mar, defile, and destroy the church the house of God.

The materials that are profitable for building RATHER THAN marring and destroying God's temple are the works produced by the GROWTH of the divine life in the believers, who are the builders.

"I planted, Apollos watered, But God caused the GROWTH.

So then neither is he who plants anything nor he who waters, but God who causes the GROWTH."

Now he who plants and he who waters are one, but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.

For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's FARM [cultivated land], God's building." (3:6-9)

God's cultivated land or FARM is the church the living temple of God.
God's BUILDING is also the church the living temple of God.

The BULDING is BUILT by the GROWTH of divine life sown into the believers.
If God GROWS in them they produce suitable building materials.
If they remain infant and try to build up the church with their old natures they will damage, mar, defile and even destroy the church.

Paul was a master builder laying Christ down as a foundation in Corinth for the building of the local church there. Apollos helped. It is up to the believers to allow God's life to GROW in them so that suitable building materials may be produced.

"According to the grace of God given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid a foundation, and another builds upon it. But let each man take heed how he builds upon it. For another foundation no one is able to lay besides that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ"

They are saved. They are on the one unique foundation of Jesus Christ. No OTHER foundation for the church in Corinth can be lain.

God gives the growth of Christ in the believers. As Christ grows they are building up the local church. If they remain immature and do not grow YET try to build the church they will be building with unsuitable and cheap things of the old fallen nature.

Growth of Christ is represented by gold, silver, precious stone.
Building with the old nature is represented by wood, grass, stubble.

These are things found in abundance and are not at all precious or rare. They are plentiful and cheap. Think of grass and stubble and wood. God's temple cannot be built up with the old nature with its typical and plenteous expressions of the natural man's worldly wisdom, worldly philosophy, worldly politics. These mar the church of God. These defile the church and can even destroy the expression of a local church.

On the other hand gold - signifying the divine nature of the Father,
silver - signifying the redemption of Christ,
precious stones - signifying the transforming work of the Holy Spirit -

THESE precious results of the Triune God growing in man do produce the proper church life and build the temple of God.

In other words "God growing in you will build the church. You remaining living in your old nature cannot build the church and may even mar, defile, and destroy its sanctified and holy nature."

"But if anyone builds upon the foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, grass, stubble, the work of each will become manifest for the day will declare it, because it is revealed by fire, and the fire itself will prove each one's work, of what sort it is."

At the fire judgment seat of Christ all Christians saved eternally will be examined by the penetrating and burning review of Jesus Christ. What is lived by the divine nature of the Father - gold, the redemptive work of Christ - silver, and the transforming work of the Holy Spirit - precious stones is useful for the building of God's house. Such a one who grew and lived in God will be rewarded.

Cheap living which resulted in no growth or little growth in Christ will be the wood, stubble, and grass which will not be able to endure the fiery examination of the Christ on that day. What can endure the examination is of the Triune God growing in the Christian. What cannot stand the examination and is burned up in it will merit discipline. The loss of reward is due to such a one but he himself will be saved.

This is definitely the context of verse 16,17 -

"Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for the temple of God is holy, and such are you."

The destroy here as in "God will destroy him" is not eternal perdition as you say. It is the destruction of the works of the flesh which were present as wood, grass, and stubble. The destroy is the suffering of loss. It is the punishment of discipline dispensed by Christ.

Such a one will still be saved and has only POSTPONED the growth of the Triune God within him. He still will have to learn that God's life in him must grow. The taste of that time of growth will be different. THAT growth will be during the millennial kingdom age and not in the age of grace.

@sonship said
By all means one should heed the words of Christ believe in Him as the Son of God, the Savior, the Lord who is able to save is to the uttermost.

[b]"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that everyone who believes into Him would not perish, but would have eternal life.

For God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but that ...[text shortened]... mercy on any enemies I might have. For to be eternally lost is not something I would wish on anyone.

@sonship said

This is definitely the context of verse 16,17 -

Without quotation here is a short synapsis of the third chapter of First Corinthians.

Amidst the spread of worldly philosophy and Judaistic legalism in Corinth, Paul speaks of him and the other apostles as being workers for God. There working is for planting Christ as the divine Person into the Corinthians. This is for building up the church which is the temple of God in Corinth.

If Christ who is planted in them and being watered in them GROWS in them, this will be simultaneously the building up of the local church there.

God gives the growth. But the believers must allow Christ to grow in them and not arrest His growth or stunt His growth or frustrate His growth. The Corinthians were stunting this normal growth of God and building up of the church by continuing to live in the old nature, the old life full of Greek philosophical thought, Judaistic legality.

This was marring the church.
This was destroying the sanctified development of the church according to its holy nature as the temple of God not the temple of the fallen Adamic nature. Even the best of human culture devoid of the growth of the Triune God cannot build up God's temple.

Each one in the church is a builder.
Each one builds by growing in Christ and allowing the Triune God to grow up in him. This builds the believers together. Old human philosophy and worldly wisdom of the flesh cannot do this.

In the second coming of Christ He will examine at His judgment seat the lives of the churching people after they were eternally saved. How did they grow? How did they allow God's life to develop and grow and mature in them in the available time they had during the church age.

Some will be rewarded a reward in the next age.
Some will suffer loss in the next age.

If they loved fleshly worldly lives, even though they may have been philosophical or legalistic they will be deprived a reward and be made to suffer loss. The old way of life will be destroyed. But both the rewarded Christians and the suffering loss Christians will be eternally saved.

Think of those punishes as having to attend something like Summer School in the next age.

@sonship said
Without quotation here is a short synapsis of the third chapter of First

@kevin-eleven said
I'm starting to wonder if you actually believe this, or if you have been trolling us for years.

@sonship said
I think of trolling more as leaving snarky little comments, one liners, dropping lampoonish supposedly clever wise cracks with a few words.

Maybe purposely throwing a monkey wrench into a discussion or wanting to pit posters against each other just to sit back and enjoy the strife.

I haven't been trolling whatever I have been doing.

@kevin-eleven said
OK. I will take you at your word. I do appreciate your posts, especially when it's you writing from yourself with just one or two lines of scripture, instead of pasting the words of others.

Too much verbiage can make it all seem like a gabby house of cards. 😉

Although I can't honestly say "in Christ" I can say I appreciate you as a fellow sprout of the Cosmos. 🙂 ...[text shortened]... ially in these times when there are so many political monsters and connivers posing as Christian. 😉