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@sonship said
@Rajk999
Thread closed.

Remember that and don't come back.
By the way. You never did tell me what you have that I could possibly be jealous of.

I guess you could think of nothing.
You preach the doctrine of goats
I preach the doctrine of sheep.

Sheep get eternal life
Goats get eternal punishment

Goats are jealous of sheep.
They want eternal life.
But they follow the doctrine of Satan.

You got it ?

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@sonship said
Most people I know who say they take part of the New Testament have to have an accompanying conspiracy theory to explain how the other words got in there.
I have told you how I think the NT came into existence. You always blank out what I say. You have asked me numerous times how I think the NT came into existence. And I have answered you numerous times. And you always just blank it out. Just as you did on this occasion.

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@sonship said
"These words I like. These other words I don't like shouldn't be there. "
There are some inspiring and practical parts of the Koran as well, but I am not a Muslim.

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@FMF

There are some inspiring and practical parts of the Koran as well, but I am not a Muslim.


So are you saying:

Mohammed spoke some words - some of which you find inspiring and others spoken by Mohammed you do not and therefore are not a Muslim.

Jesus spoke some words - some of which you find inspiring and others spoken by Jesus you do not and therefore are not a Christian.

Is that how I should understand your sentence?

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@Rajk999

You said the thread is closed. And you are not the debating type.
You are unable to have a constructive debate without resorting to hurling insults, diatribes, anathemas, and shows of sheer will power to resist sound biblical reasoning.

Now you did say "Thread closed".
In other words you have nothing else to say.
sniff.

So goodbye.

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There are some inspiring and practical parts of the Koran as well, but I am not a Muslim.

FMF, to refine my question:

So are you saying:

Mohammed spoke some words in the Koran - some of which you find inspiring and others spoken by Mohammed you do not and therefore are not a Muslim.

Jesus spoke some words in the New Testament - some of which you find inspiring and others spoken by Jesus you do not and therefore are not a Christian.

Is that how I should understand your sentence?

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@FMF

I have told you how I think the NT came into existence. You always blank out what I say. You have asked me numerous times how I think the NT came into existence. And I have answered you numerous times. And you always just blank it out. Just as you did on this occasion.


I suspect that if I tell you that I do not remember HOW you think the NT came into existence, you will probably call me a liar.

But I do not remember your explanations of HOW you think the NT came into existence. Perhaps it made an impact on you to tell me. But I sure don't remember it.

That is OTHER than the fact that you don't trust that all the words attributed to Christ can be trusted as His words. I vaguely remember you leaving some kind of less then fully committal sympathy for mythicist Richard Carrier who argues leaning to Jesus never even EXISTED. That's way out there.

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@sonship said
@FMF

There are some inspiring and practical parts of the Koran as well, but I am not a Muslim.


So are you saying:

Mohammed spoke some words - some of which you find inspiring and others spoken by Mohammed you do not and therefore are not a Muslim.

Jesus spoke some words - some of which you find inspiring and othe ...[text shortened]... ] you do not and therefore are not a Christian.

Is that how I should understand your sentence?
As I have explained to you umpteen times before, some of the teachings attributed to a figure called Jesus by writers creating a new religion/cult of personality centred on claims being made about his identity, decades after his death, when seen through the prism of my moral compass, seem to me to be a good code for living.

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As for "disappearing"?

I reserve the right to look at my available time that I have and budget as I see best according to my priorities.

If I "disappear" when you think I should be on the edge of my seat engaging something you or someone else wrote, get use to it. You should have noticed by now that sometimes I will return to a comment latter.

I said "sometimes".
And it will remain "sometimes."

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@sonship said
I suspect that if I tell you that I do not remember HOW you think the NT came into existence, you will probably call me a liar.
I did so just a few days ago in direct response to a question you asked me. So, yes. I see this as more low-integrity behaviour by you.

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@sonship said
But I do not remember your explanations of HOW you think the NT came into existence. Perhaps it made an impact on you to tell me. But I sure don't remember it.
This reflects poorly on you.

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@sonship said
That is OTHER than the fact that you don't trust that all the words attributed to Christ can be trusted as His words. I vaguely remember you leaving some kind of less then fully committal sympathy for mythicist Richard Carrier who argues leaning to Jesus never even EXISTED. That's way out there.
I don't know who Richard Carrier is.

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@sonship said
The underlying innuendo of this question is that the truth merely = someone's "religious beliefs."

To dignify the question with an answer is to agree that there is no truth. There is only this or that one's "religious beliefs".

The other repeated question lately is along the line of something like "when you chat with your church leaders do you tell them . . . " ...[text shortened]... uth strong deception will come. And they will find themselves swept away by a lie in the end times.
You typed a lot of stuff. But it didn't address the question which remains unanswered: Should atheists be "ashamed" of not sharing your religious beliefs?

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@sonship said
As for "disappearing"?

I reserve the right to look at my available time that I have and budget as I see best according to my priorities.

If I "disappear" when you think I should be on the edge of my seat engaging something you or someone else wrote, get use to it. You should have noticed by now that sometimes I will return to a comment latter.

I said "sometimes".
And it will remain "sometimes."
"Disappearing"?

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@FMF

As I have explained to you umpteen times before, some of the teachings attributed to a figure called Jesus by writers creating a new religion/cult of personality centred on claims being made about his identity, decades after his death, when seen through the prism of my moral compass, seem to me to be a good code for living.


So, behind this rationale you do avoid claiming ANY specific words were spoken by either Jesus or Mohammed I suppose. You have left the obscure vagueness of the issue so that exactly which words of either man you cannot be taken a position on as authentic.

Of course, if I ask you which of the 48 verses in, say, Matthew chapter five do you take as authentically those of Jesus, the obfuscation of your vagueness allows you perpetual subjective like evasion of non-committal.

I just have to take you word for it that somehow SOME of the words of Jesus you believe profitable and OTHER words (maybe NOT spoken by Jesus) are not.

Then subjectively one can argue that the words you don't believe or adhere to or otherwise find profitable were the inventions of opportunists out to peddle their OWN worldviews under the banner of "Jesus said".

Which words are which ?
You won't attempt to show.

Take Matthew 5:3, the very first of the Sermon on the Mount's words.

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens."

Do you believe Jesus spoke that? The recorder says "And opening His mouth, He taught them, saying . . ." (v.2)

Do you believe Jesus opened His mouth and spoke that first sentence ?

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens."