Originally posted by menace71See there you go again Manny. Who are you to say that scripture means something else about flesh and blood being in heaven? It says what it says. You see you start to create all kinds of problems when you don't take the scripture for what it says. We as humans have no right, or the wisdom to say "I think it means this, not that". Be very careful. The Bible clearly says "not to lean on our own understanding" or opinion. The Bible also says "not to forsake the gathering of ourselves". The reason for that is then we are guided by God's holy spirit to learn and grow spritually. The Bible says "where two or more are gathered" is when his spirit can work and teach us what the Bible says. You can never progress spiritually when you on your own.
Agreed on the twisting no doubt. I was thinking about this when it says in the bible that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God I don't think it means flesh and bone could not reside in Heaven but that human striving is what cannot not inherit the kingdom of God. The funny thing is why did Jesus say you see that I have flesh and bone and a spir ...[text shortened]... ying feel and touch. I would have been the doubting Thomas no doubt 🙂
Manny
Originally posted by menace71But I know a few here would and so do you..... I know I wouldn't trust my life at all to a couple here if I refused to fight for my country and his commanding officer commanded him to kill me for not fighting or for being a spy or whatever trumped up charge was made up. There is another here too that if given the right conditions would probably shoot any JW for stepping on his front pourch simply because we are doing what Jesus said.
Dude just stop with the persecution complex !!! No one here is persecuting you.
Manny
The problem here is your not wanting to see the evidence that has been presented to you about this issue, because if you did acknowledge it then you'd have to see the truth of what we do. And at this time in your life you've decided that's not important. Jesus is not to be taken seriously in your eyes with his command to you to do this teaching work he so clearly did himself and told you to do. Those scriptures are there for a reason buddy even if you don't believe it to be true.
Sadly most agree with you and are in this only for a free ride to heaven to sit on some fluffy cloud and play a harp....
Originally posted by galveston75The term "anti-Christ" is more accurately translated the "instead-of-Christ". When you propogate the lie that Jesus is the Archangel Michael, you make him the "instead-of-Christ". I won't bother re-quoting the incredibly large volume of scripture that clearly disproves your heretical faith as you will not read it anyway. Suffice it to say that others have already laid that groundwork, and your continued obstinancy only serves to prove my point.
Hummmm, does the word antichrist mean anything to you if you even know what that means?
Your Bible says God is ((((( 1 ))))) God. We agree. How is that a lie?
In your Bible Jesus says his Father is greater then he is. We agree. How is that a lie?
In your Bible it says only Jehovah knows certian things that the son doesn't know. We agree. How is ...[text shortened]... get only confirms we are Jesus's followers
Thank you so much for confirming that...........
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Originally posted by galveston75It is clear that you do not lean on our own understanding. It is the
See there you go again Manny. Who are you to say that scripture means something else about flesh and blood being in heaven? It says what it says. You see you start to create all kinds of problems when you don't take the scripture for what it says. We as humans have no right, or the wisdom to say "I think it means this, not that". Be very careful. The Bib teach us what the Bible says. You can never progress spiritually when you on your own.
understanding of the Watchtower Society that you lean on. Your
understanding is certainly not from the scriptures or the Holy Spirit.
You are well indoctrinated by the Watchtower Society and their claim
to be a "Theocracy" - a word that is not in the Holy Bible. You use the
circular reasoning just like they teach, change the subject, and ignore
or ridicule those parts of the discussion you don't have a comeback
for. You still have not replied to jaywill when He demonstrated the
that Jesus and Jehovah was both the mighty God and the almighty God.
A question you kept asking like a parrot, even though it had been
answered. You keep your blinders on so you can follow this man-made
organization straight to Hell. You are content to believe a lie rather
than the truth of God. You know that Jesus many times spoke in
parables, so to say the Bible meaning is always the exact literal meaning
of the words is a lie.
Originally posted by galveston75when two our more are gathered in Jesus name there will he be also, in whose name do you gather?
See there you go again Manny. Who are you to say that scripture means something else about flesh and blood being in heaven? It says what it says. You see you start to create all kinds of problems when you don't take the scripture for what it says. We as humans have no right, or the wisdom to say "I think it means this, not that". Be very careful. The Bib ...[text shortened]... teach us what the Bible says. You can never progress spiritually when you on your own.
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Originally posted by galveston75You're a bit of a paranoid kook dude.
But I know a few here would and so do you..... I know I wouldn't trust my life at all to a couple here if I refused to fight for my country and his commanding officer commanded him to kill me for not fighting or for being a spy or whatever trumped up charge was made up. There is another here too that if given the right conditions would probably shoot any are in this only for a free ride to heaven to sit on some fluffy cloud and play a harp....
Originally posted by DowardWell I'd love to see those volumes of scriptures that disprove us anytime. And anti-christ also means AGAINST. You are saying we have it all wrong and all that we do is wrong. So us going door to door is must be wrong in your eyes even though Jesus clearly told us all to do that. So you're AGAINST us doing what Jesus said to do and to teach what is in the Bible. That is being an anti-christ.
The term "anti-Christ" is more accurately translated the "instead-of-Christ". When you propogate the lie that Jesus is the Archangel Michael, you make him the "instead-of-Christ". I won't bother re-quoting the incredibly large volume of scripture that clearly disproves your heretical faith as you will not read it anyway. Suffice it to say that others have already laid that groundwork, and your continued obstinancy only serves to prove my point.
Originally posted by RJHindsJaywil showed no such thing...
It is clear that you do not lean on our own understanding. It is the
understanding of the Watchtower Society that you lean on. Your
understanding is certainly not from the scriptures or the Holy Spirit.
You are well indoctrinated by the Watchtower Society and their claim
to be a "Theocracy" - a word that is not in the Holy Bible. You use the
circular ...[text shortened]... bles, so to say the Bible meaning is always the exact literal meaning
of the words is a lie.
And we show you scripture after scripture that is as plain as the nose on your face and you can't see it. I'm really beginning to believe you never will but theres always hope.
Originally posted by galveston75Jesus told us to do lots of things, you choose to ignore the others..at your eternal peril
Well I'd love to see those volumes of scriptures that disprove us anytime. And anti-christ also means AGAINST. You are saying we have it all wrong and all that we do is wrong. So us going door to door is must be wrong in your eyes even though Jesus clearly told us all to do that. So you're AGAINST us doing what Jesus said to do and to teach what is in the Bible. That is being an anti-christ.
Originally posted by galveston75Jaywill posted volumes, as has Manny and so have I. This thread is over 400 posts, feel free to re-read the whole thing...we'll be waiting for your mea culpa
Well I'd love to see those volumes of scriptures that disprove us anytime. And anti-christ also means AGAINST. You are saying we have it all wrong and all that we do is wrong. So us going door to door is must be wrong in your eyes even though Jesus clearly told us all to do that. So you're AGAINST us doing what Jesus said to do and to teach what is in the Bible. That is being an anti-christ.
Originally posted by DowardMatthew 18:20
when two our more are gathered in Jesus name there will he be also, in whose name do you gather?
New Living Translation (NLT)
20 For where two or three gather together as my followers,[a] I am there among them.”
Jesus is the one speaking here. So is he there in the flesh or in spirit?
Originally posted by DowardI've read every post and nothing at all proves the trinity. If anything with each comment made if proves it is wrong even more. The comments not only were all over the spectrum but actually contradicted themselves many, many times. I've asked very, very, very simply questions and to most I never get any answers.
Jaywill posted volumes, as has Manny and so have I. This thread is over 400 posts, feel free to re-read the whole thing...we'll be waiting for your mea culpa
Most of these same questions I've asked trinitarians now for 40+ years and to this day still no explination other then "it's a mystery". What a joke.