Calling out ThinkOfOne

@philokalia said
The fact that you want to change it and turn it into something that is a direct assault on God, something that goes beyond the normal language of it, gives it a very political definition.

I am not assaulting any god or gods; I am critiquing an ideology and confronting its proponents. If you don't think it's "normal language", you should say so - just like you have in this instance - and always say what you believe. It's healthy.

@philokalia said
Other people have used angry, inflammatory language about Muslims and about him as an atheist in the past, so he is going to use inflammatory language about Hell

You are mischaracterizing what I actually said about people calling Muhammed a liar and a Satanist. Go back and read it again.

@fmf said
If I thought "Hell" was appropriate 'enough', I'd use that. But I think the "torturer god ideology' is far better. It shines a bit of light into the heart of darkness that it's describing.

But you think the torturer god ideology is far better a description even though the Bible knows nothing about it?

I suppose along with advocating the freedom of speech you advocate the right to be wrong too.

In light of the fact that the Bible does not teach about a torturer god, you are obviously promoting an idea you know is false simply as a barb against the God of the Bible and those that believe in Him.

@philokalia said
The default is that people get to name their own ideologies. If I'm in a formal discussion I will refer to Communism as communism. Of course behind closed doors and if I'm feeling angry I can definitely refer to it as other things and be as angry as I like about it, but that's just not something that you should do in public. You shouldn't actually try to deny the name of the doctor. Particularly when it's very common and very neutral.

My response to all this is that you should post in the way you think is right.

@secondson said
But you think the torturer god ideology is far better a description even though the Bible knows nothing about it?

The Bible does not contain the words "trinity" or "the torturer god ideology".

@fmf said
My response to all this is that you should post in the way you think is right.

And the truth be damned, right?

@secondson said
I suppose along with advocating the freedom of speech you advocate the right to be wrong too.

Yes. People are free to disagree with each other. KellyJay believes the earth is 6,000 years old. He has the right to believe that,

@secondson said
And the truth be damned, right?

"Damned"?

@fmf said
The Bible does not contain the words "trinity" or "the torturer god ideology".

Therefore a departure from the narrative of the Bible mischaracterizes the truth it tells, no?

@secondson said
In light of the fact that the Bible does not teach about a torturer god, you are obviously promoting an idea you know is false simply as a barb against the God of the Bible and those that believe in Him.

Numerous Christian posters here over the years have propagated what I call the "torturer god ideology". It's your prerogative to call it false if you choose to.

@secondson said
Therefore a departure from the narrative of the Bible mischaracterizes the truth it tells, no?

"Torturer god ideology" refers to the set of ideas and moral assertions numerous Christians have been describing and justifying here as long as I have been posting here. They use the Bible to justify what they believe.

@fmf said
"Damned"?

"The truth be damned". It's an idiom. Consider the context. Follow the thread.

@fmf said
I am not assaulting any god or gods; I am critiquing an ideology and confronting its proponents. If you don't think it's "normal language", you should say so - just like you have in this instance - and always say what you believe. It's healthy.

The Doctrine of hell has been called that for an extremely long time and it's one of the most common and basic beliefs and go into Christianity. It's not as if it's something that is recent.

Using very exceptional language about it is simply to insult people who believe in it, it's not to try to shed some kind of new light on it. If you want to shed new light on something you should just make a post about it, describe it, you shouldn't hijack the typical words used to describe it. I find that to be against the sort of Good Will that Debaters should have when they discuss something.

The real mistake, perhaps, is believed that people would have just there's semantics to have a more fair and open discussion.

I think this is why this form is largely abandoned. It's dominated by few posters Who present the same ideas over and over again and do it in generally offencive Language.

I guess that since it's pretty hopeless that anything would change its kind of a waste of time and energy to dwell on this issue. But hey, it's good just to touch base on this once in a while, I guess. And there was nothing much else going on around here.

@fmf said
"Torturer god ideology" refers to the set of ideas and moral assertions numerous Christians have been describing and justifying here as long as I have been posting here. They use the Bible to justify what they believe.

You're going to have to provide quotes to support that assertion, otherwise you're merely promoting a personal perception, which is nothing less than rumor mongering.