Cherrypickers

Originally posted by KellyJay
Christians are those that belong to Christ, not those that mouth the words
in my opinion. They will in the end on judgment day have their names in
the Book of Life. All of them will have all of their sins covered, if you don't
know what that means, what do you know? I don't know what many here
believe, I will not put words in their mouths telling what t ...[text shortened]... with me is!

I'd also point out we are to point people to Christ, not just 'teachings'!
Kelly

Christians are those who belong to Christ? Is that the definition you are using? A Christian is anyone who says he is one is the definition which I use.

So by your definition do you know any Christians? Yes, several?
Then you know who belongs to Christ then?

I would be interested in finding out how to know who is and who is not a Christian by your definition.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Christians are those who belong to Christ? Is that the definition you are using? A Christian is anyone who says he is one is the definition which I use.

So by your definition do you know any Christians? Yes, several?
Then you know who belongs to Christ then?

I would be interested in finding out how to know who is and who is not a Christian by your definition.

We disagree on that point as who is a Christian. As far as I'm concern the
only thing the Church of God is filled with are those that belong to God in
Christ. An angel of from hell can appear as an angel of God, just because
someone claims something is true does not for one minute mean its true.

As you pointed out, only God can say who belongs to Him not us! By your
own standard just because someone claims they are right with God does
not mean they are, only God has that say!

I guess that is why you are very upsetting to me from time to time when
you bash God's church (Christians), because I only look at those that God
has made right as Christians not those that make a claim in one side of
their mouths and live differently everywhere else.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
We disagree on that point as who is a Christian. As far as I'm concern the
only thing the Church of God is filled with are those that belong to God in
Christ. An angel of from hell can appear as an angel of God, just because
someone claims something is true does not for one minute mean its true.

As you pointed out, only God can say who belongs to Him ...[text shortened]... hose that make a claim in one side of
their mouths and live differently everywhere else.
Kelly

I find all that incredible. You could not possibly think that my definition of a Christian was a narrow as yours. Nobody nowhere not the dictionary, not the Bible defines a Christian the way you do. Where did you get your definition ?

Even the Bible speaks of people converted into Christianity but who are not 'in Christ'.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I find all that incredible. You could not possibly think that my definition of a Christian was a narrow as yours. Nobody nowhere not the dictionary, not the Bible defines a Christian the way you do. Where did you get your definition ?

Even the Bible speaks of people converted into Christianity but who are not 'in Christ'.

I believe God is that narrow, I don't pretend to know who all is and is not.
I most certainly will not accept someone who lives a life of sin everyday
without regard to God in any fashion yet says, "I'm a Christian" is a
Christian. To do so would turn me into someone who would bad mouth
God's church, the very church Jesus died for. Jesus is the Way, the Truth,
and the Life so no one comes to God except through Him, and if you did
not come through Him you are not a Christian I don't care what you claim
about yourself, I don't care what a dictionary says I don't go to the man's
dictionary but scripture on God's truth.

The Bible warns people that they need to get close to God and obey Him,
if not they will hear the words, "I never knew you" if Jesus is going to say
He never knew them, well how were they His? This is as real as it gets with
God, those that come to Him and those that don't, He has a church on this
planet and it is not built by the hands of man, but by God.
Kelly

RajK,
What I would like to understand about you, is do you think that you are going to have eternal life without Christ giving it to you as a gift? What makes you think that you can be good enough to earn eternal life?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe God is that narrow, I don't pretend to know who all is and is not.
I most certainly will not accept someone who lives a life of sin everyday
without regard to God in any fashion yet says, "I'm a Christian" is a
Christian. To do so would turn me into someone who would bad mouth
God's church, the very church Jesus died for. Jesus is the Way, the ...[text shortened]... n't, He has a church on this
planet and it is not built by the hands of man, but by God.
Kelly

Sounds like you disagree with much of what those like jay will/sonship says.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Sounds like you disagree with much of what those like jay will/sonship says.

Right now I'm talking to you. I don't follow them around to know what they
think on this matter. If they speak up here, I guess I will know.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Right now I'm talking to you. I don't follow them around to know what they
think on this matter. If they speak up here, I guess I will know.
Kelly

OK .. I see 🙂

Here is another example of cherry picking:

The Bible says :Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The Cherry Pickers say [in this case whodey in the thread 'Gods unconditional love':
Through Christ there is no condemnation

First 'in Christ' and 'through Christ' mean different things. Next the part about walking after the Spirit which is the crux of ones eternal life is omitted.

Hence their false conclusion.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Here is another example of cherry picking:

The Bible says :[b]Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The Cherry Pickers say [in this case whodey in the thread 'Gods unconditional love':
Through Christ there is no condemnation

First 'in Christ ...[text shortened]... r the Spirit which is the crux of ones eternal life is omitted.

Hence their false conclusion.[/b]

Well, lets go back to where it matters first before we start splitting hairs.
When someone who goes to God in Christ, or through Christ, or any other
word you want to use that Christ honors by accepting him....is that going
to be different than someone who is just mouthing words?

If you have God's Spirit, if you are following God's Spirit, and are not
walking after the flesh, there is no condemnation. If that is true what do
you think that person following after God with God's Spirit is going to do
wrong? We are to crucify our flesh, and follow after the God, it is life
changing.

What is it you think is going to happen with someone who is right with God,
because God accepts them, and God has given them His Spirit?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Well, lets go back to where it matters first before we start splitting hairs.
When someone who goes to God in Christ, or through Christ, or any other
word you want to use that Christ honors by accepting him....is that going
to be different than someone who is just mouthing words?

If you have God's Spirit, if you are following God's Spirit, and are not ...[text shortened]... eone who is right with God,
because God accepts them, and God has given them His Spirit?
Kelly

Well there you said it correctly. There will come a time when I am pointing out to someone else who does not say it correctly. Then you step in to say that Im 'destructive' and not showing 'brotherly love'.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Well there you said it correctly. There will come a time when I am pointing out to someone else who does not say it correctly. Then you step in to say that Im 'destructive' and not showing 'brotherly love'.

What is it you are saying? If someone is accepted by Christ, who am I to
judge another's servant? If they are just mouthing words, their lives will
reflect that, and that may bring shame to the name they are using as a
shield for their sins. If you pounce on that and make claims that Jesus's
Church is filled with sinners who do not care about God as much as they
do their own sin you are bad mouthing God's Church! Jesus will sort them
out, we see that in scripture and they will pay for words!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
What is it you are saying? If someone is accepted by Christ, who am I to
judge another's servant? If they are just mouthing words, their lives will
reflect that, and that may bring shame to the name they are using as a
shield for their sins. If you pounce on that and make claims that Jesus's
Church is filled with sinners who do not care about God as muc ...[text shortened]... Church! Jesus will sort them
out, we see that in scripture and they will pay for words!
Kelly

I dont have the patience to explain further. Clearly you dont understand what Im saying.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I dont have the patience to explain further. Clearly you dont understand what Im saying.

It is good for you to taste some of your own medicine.
Your own attention span is severely restricted when I explain difficult passages to you.

Originally posted by sonship
It is good for you to taste some of your own medicine.
Your own attention span is severely restricted when I explain difficult passages to you.

My own medicine? I have no idea what that is about.
I write in very simple clear language that makes perfect sense and is almost identical to what the Bible says.

You write a pile of garbage. But you are right. My attention span is severely restricted when I have to wade through pages and pages of utter nonsense.