1. PenTesting
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    05 May '14 11:12
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Did you see me asking you about a sin test? I was asking about that verse,
    will you stay on topic? I have already said that those that live after the
    flesh will not please God, the part of the this discussion we seem to have
    some disagreement with is the verse you have not addressed yet. I get
    those who live after the flesh live carnally, I don't care i ...[text shortened]... Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
    So Christians living in the flesh do not please God and therefore do NOT get eternal life. Do you agree?

    And YES I already agreed that the verse says those who have the Spirit of Christ, belongs to Christ.
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    05 May '14 12:08
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    So Christians living in the flesh do not please God and therefore do NOT get eternal life. Do you agree?

    And YES I already agreed that the verse says those who have the Spirit of Christ, belongs to Christ.
    People who are living a life of following after sin do not please God, again as
    far as I'm am concern I will not apply the term Christian, except to those
    that Christ as accepted and given His Spirit to. Those who live by the Spirit
    of God, who have God's Spirit are the only ones that can do the will of God,
    the only ones that can do the work of God, because God is with them.

    Those that God as accepted if they sin can and should go to God for
    forgiveness, and repent.
    Kelly
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    05 May '14 16:421 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    People who are living a life of following after sin do not please God, again as
    far as I'm am concern I will not apply the term Christian, except to those
    that Christ as accepted and given His Spirit to. Those who live by the Spirit
    of God, who have God's Spirit are the only ones that can do the will of God,
    the only ones that can do the work of God, be ...[text shortened]... e that God as accepted if they sin can and should go to God for
    forgiveness, and repent.
    Kelly
    Well here is the problem. We are basically saying similar things but your definition of a Christian is causing the confusion.

    While you are entiled to use whatever definition you like, if you are interested in serious discussion then you have to use a universal defition - the one used by people in general and or the one used in the Bible. The thing is if you want to communicate clearly then you should know and accept standard defintions. Otherwise you will have problems understanding people [like me in this case] and the Bible as well.

    When people say there are 3 billion Christians in the world they cannot possibly mean that there are 3 billion Christians who have GOds Spirit in them.

    When the Bible says there are some who have tasted of the heavenly gift and are partakers of the Holy Spirit, clearly these are Christians. But they are evil crooked Christians who will not get eternal life.
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    05 May '14 17:171 edit
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Well here is the problem. We are basically saying similar things but your definition of a Christian is causing the confusion.

    While you are entiled to use whatever definition you like, if you are interested in serious discussion then you have to use a universal defition - the one used by people in general and or the one used in the Bible. The thing is if ...[text shortened]... learly these are Christians. But they are evil crooked Christians who will not get eternal life.
    I told you that a long time ago we disagreed on who is and is not a
    Christian. I'm only interested in who Christ claims as His own, not what
    the world says. By accepting the world's view on who is a Christian, when
    you say things Christians are doing all types of evil things, you smear
    those who have given their lives to Christ and are walking in the Spirit of
    God. I'd also say you are smearing God who has given them His Spirit too.
    Kelly
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    05 May '14 17:24
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I told you that a long time ago we disagreed on who is and is not a
    Christian. I'm only interested in who Christ claims as His own, not what
    the world says. By accepting the world's view on who is a Christian, when
    you say things Christians are doing all types of evil things, you smear
    those who have given their lives to Christ and are walking in the Spirit of
    God. I'd also say you are smearing God who has given them His Spirit too.
    Kelly
    You are talking nonsense. The BIBLE refers to these crooked people as Christians who have fallen away. I am not smearing anyone who is clearly of God. I am talking of the evil Christians and there is such a thing.

    Your definition cannot interpret what I say. Get that in your head.

    This conversation is over. Its my last post to you.
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    05 May '14 17:29
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    You are talking nonsense. The BIBLE refers to these crooked people as Christians who have fallen away. I am not smearing anyone who is clearly of God. I am talking of the evil Christians and there is such a thing.

    Your definition cannot interpret what I say. Get that in your head.

    This conversation is over. Its my last post to you.
    Give me verse where the Bible calls Christian crooked people.
    Kelly
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    06 May '14 01:32
    I think that some would take the grace of God lightly......but it is more than lip service in this part I'm in full agreement with Raj999 for many do claim the name of Christ but don't know Jesus at all. The one saved by grace knows and love His master however and will desire and want to do his masters will

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    06 May '14 02:061 edit
    Originally posted by menace71
    I think that some would take the grace of God lightly......but it is more than lip service in this part I'm in full agreement with Raj999 for many do claim the name of Christ but don't know Jesus at all. The one saved by grace knows and love His master however and will desire and want to do his masters will

    Manny
    I told him over and over I agree with him that many who make claims do not
    know God, and really don't want to know God. I think that there could even
    some who want to know God, but not on God's terms, but their very own.

    Which makes the scripture I pointed out to him that unless you have the
    Spirit of God, you do not belong to God. None of those I just talked about
    I'd call Christian, they may claim the name, I don't care, only those walking
    with God on God's terms with God's Spirit are Christian in my opinion.

    So my dispute with him is that he tends to lump most people who claim the
    name Christian as something vile. I see the Church *Christians* as the
    Bride of Christ, those are the ones that are walking in the Spirit, they are
    not leading lives to satisfy the flesh. Except to hear him talk, it is something
    very nasty. I see it as not something vile, but grand that is spread across
    the planet in and out of man's denominations. For my part I believe it is
    something that Jesus is leading as the Good Shepard, if one stumbles He
    helps him up because Jesus is faithful.
    Kelly
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    06 May '14 03:18
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I told him over and over I agree with him that many who make claims do not
    know God, and really don't want to know God. I think that there could even
    some who want to know God, but not on God's terms, but their very own.

    Which makes the scripture I pointed out to him that unless you have the
    Spirit of God, you do not belong to God. None of those I jus ...[text shortened]... leading as the Good Shepard, if one stumbles He
    helps him up because Jesus is faithful.
    Kelly
    I see


    Manny
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    06 May '14 09:44
    Originally posted by menace71
    I think that some would take the grace of God lightly......but it is more than lip service in this part I'm in full agreement with Raj999 for many do claim the name of Christ but don't know Jesus at all. The one saved by grace knows and love His master however and will desire and want to do his masters will

    Manny
    Thanks for your comment Menace. The story is no different then or now. Christians from the beginning of the early church were capable of being crooked and evil. The story of Ananias and Saphira is one such example, and there are many throughout the writings of the Apostles. Paul and Peter warned of the dangers of being drawn back into a worldly sinful lifestyle after conversion, after partaking of the Holy Spirit.

    KellyJ is clearly missing a few screws. My condemnation of crooked evil Christians is in keeping with Biblical doctrine and tradition. He seems to think that there is no such thing as a evil Christian. Dont know why he keeps saying that.
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    06 May '14 15:29
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Thanks for your comment Menace. The story is no different then or now. Christians from the beginning of the early church were capable of being crooked and evil. The story of Ananias and Saphira is one such example, and there are many throughout the writings of the Apostles. Paul and Peter warned of the dangers of being drawn back into a worldly sinful lifest ...[text shortened]... ms to think that there is no such thing as a evil Christian. Dont know why he keeps saying that.
    I asked you for scripture to back up what you said about the Bible saying
    that Christians are crooked, the word Christian that I've seen only shows up
    about three times in scripture. Not one of those had anything to do with
    being crooked. You can look up the bride of Christ, tell me all the nasty
    things that God says about His Bride if you'd like. You stand as an accuser
    of the God's people which makes me wonder exactly whose side you on
    because you most certainly seem to following the accuser more than
    anyone else.

    There are sinners who fake their relationship with God, but they are not part
    of God's bride, no matter how many times you paint them as being that way.
    Kelly
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    06 May '14 16:09
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I asked you for scripture to back up what you said about the Bible saying
    that Christians are crooked, the word Christian that I've seen only shows up
    about three times in scripture. Not one of those had anything to do with
    being crooked. You can look up the bride of Christ, tell me all the nasty
    things that God says about His Bride if you'd like. You s ...[text shortened]... are not part
    of God's bride, no matter how many times you paint them as being that way.
    Kelly
    You are a defender of the crooked. Whose side are you really on?
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    06 May '14 16:441 edit
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    You are a defender of the crooked. Whose side are you really on?
    No, I'm telling you that those who are walking with God with God's Spirit
    should not be lumped together with those that could care less about God
    and are doing nothing, but walking after the flesh. The Bride of Christ, Jesus
    paid a high price for them, He is sitting at the right hand of the Father due
    to His shedding His blood for them. You accuse the whole church by lumping
    all those who go by Christian with sinners who do not care about God.
    Kelly
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    Originally posted by Rajk999
    You are talking nonsense. The BIBLE refers to these crooked people as Christians who have fallen away. I am not smearing anyone who is clearly of God. I am talking of the evil Christians and there is such a thing.

    Your definition cannot interpret what I say. Get that in your head.

    This conversation is over. Its my last post to you.
    So says Rajk999 leader of the Cherrypickers.
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    07 May '14 19:162 edits
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    So says Rajk999 leader of the Cherrypickers.
    As I pointed out to him, he calls Christians evil, the Bride of Christ he calls
    evil. Those who walk with and in the Spirit of God he lumps in with evil, this
    is his mindset. He is no different than Satan who accuses the Church day and
    night.

    Revelation 12:10
    Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
    Kelly
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