Originally posted by KellyJaySo Christians living in the flesh do not please God and therefore do NOT get eternal life. Do you agree?
Did you see me asking you about a sin test? I was asking about that verse,
will you stay on topic? I have already said that those that live after the
flesh will not please God, the part of the this discussion we seem to have
some disagreement with is the verse you have not addressed yet. I get
those who live after the flesh live carnally, I don't care i ...[text shortened]... Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And YES I already agreed that the verse says those who have the Spirit of Christ, belongs to Christ.
Originally posted by Rajk999People who are living a life of following after sin do not please God, again as
So Christians living in the flesh do not please God and therefore do NOT get eternal life. Do you agree?
And YES I already agreed that the verse says those who have the Spirit of Christ, belongs to Christ.
far as I'm am concern I will not apply the term Christian, except to those
that Christ as accepted and given His Spirit to. Those who live by the Spirit
of God, who have God's Spirit are the only ones that can do the will of God,
the only ones that can do the work of God, because God is with them.
Those that God as accepted if they sin can and should go to God for
forgiveness, and repent.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayWell here is the problem. We are basically saying similar things but your definition of a Christian is causing the confusion.
People who are living a life of following after sin do not please God, again as
far as I'm am concern I will not apply the term Christian, except to those
that Christ as accepted and given His Spirit to. Those who live by the Spirit
of God, who have God's Spirit are the only ones that can do the will of God,
the only ones that can do the work of God, be ...[text shortened]... e that God as accepted if they sin can and should go to God for
forgiveness, and repent.
Kelly
While you are entiled to use whatever definition you like, if you are interested in serious discussion then you have to use a universal defition - the one used by people in general and or the one used in the Bible. The thing is if you want to communicate clearly then you should know and accept standard defintions. Otherwise you will have problems understanding people [like me in this case] and the Bible as well.
When people say there are 3 billion Christians in the world they cannot possibly mean that there are 3 billion Christians who have GOds Spirit in them.
When the Bible says there are some who have tasted of the heavenly gift and are partakers of the Holy Spirit, clearly these are Christians. But they are evil crooked Christians who will not get eternal life.
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Originally posted by Rajk999I told you that a long time ago we disagreed on who is and is not a
Well here is the problem. We are basically saying similar things but your definition of a Christian is causing the confusion.
While you are entiled to use whatever definition you like, if you are interested in serious discussion then you have to use a universal defition - the one used by people in general and or the one used in the Bible. The thing is if ...[text shortened]... learly these are Christians. But they are evil crooked Christians who will not get eternal life.
Christian. I'm only interested in who Christ claims as His own, not what
the world says. By accepting the world's view on who is a Christian, when
you say things Christians are doing all types of evil things, you smear
those who have given their lives to Christ and are walking in the Spirit of
God. I'd also say you are smearing God who has given them His Spirit too.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayYou are talking nonsense. The BIBLE refers to these crooked people as Christians who have fallen away. I am not smearing anyone who is clearly of God. I am talking of the evil Christians and there is such a thing.
I told you that a long time ago we disagreed on who is and is not a
Christian. I'm only interested in who Christ claims as His own, not what
the world says. By accepting the world's view on who is a Christian, when
you say things Christians are doing all types of evil things, you smear
those who have given their lives to Christ and are walking in the Spirit of
God. I'd also say you are smearing God who has given them His Spirit too.
Kelly
Your definition cannot interpret what I say. Get that in your head.
This conversation is over. Its my last post to you.
Originally posted by Rajk999Give me verse where the Bible calls Christian crooked people.
You are talking nonsense. The BIBLE refers to these crooked people as Christians who have fallen away. I am not smearing anyone who is clearly of God. I am talking of the evil Christians and there is such a thing.
Your definition cannot interpret what I say. Get that in your head.
This conversation is over. Its my last post to you.
Kelly
I think that some would take the grace of God lightly......but it is more than lip service in this part I'm in full agreement with Raj999 for many do claim the name of Christ but don't know Jesus at all. The one saved by grace knows and love His master however and will desire and want to do his masters will
Manny
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Originally posted by menace71I told him over and over I agree with him that many who make claims do not
I think that some would take the grace of God lightly......but it is more than lip service in this part I'm in full agreement with Raj999 for many do claim the name of Christ but don't know Jesus at all. The one saved by grace knows and love His master however and will desire and want to do his masters will
Manny
know God, and really don't want to know God. I think that there could even
some who want to know God, but not on God's terms, but their very own.
Which makes the scripture I pointed out to him that unless you have the
Spirit of God, you do not belong to God. None of those I just talked about
I'd call Christian, they may claim the name, I don't care, only those walking
with God on God's terms with God's Spirit are Christian in my opinion.
So my dispute with him is that he tends to lump most people who claim the
name Christian as something vile. I see the Church *Christians* as the
Bride of Christ, those are the ones that are walking in the Spirit, they are
not leading lives to satisfy the flesh. Except to hear him talk, it is something
very nasty. I see it as not something vile, but grand that is spread across
the planet in and out of man's denominations. For my part I believe it is
something that Jesus is leading as the Good Shepard, if one stumbles He
helps him up because Jesus is faithful.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI see
I told him over and over I agree with him that many who make claims do not
know God, and really don't want to know God. I think that there could even
some who want to know God, but not on God's terms, but their very own.
Which makes the scripture I pointed out to him that unless you have the
Spirit of God, you do not belong to God. None of those I jus ...[text shortened]... leading as the Good Shepard, if one stumbles He
helps him up because Jesus is faithful.
Kelly
Manny
Originally posted by menace71Thanks for your comment Menace. The story is no different then or now. Christians from the beginning of the early church were capable of being crooked and evil. The story of Ananias and Saphira is one such example, and there are many throughout the writings of the Apostles. Paul and Peter warned of the dangers of being drawn back into a worldly sinful lifestyle after conversion, after partaking of the Holy Spirit.
I think that some would take the grace of God lightly......but it is more than lip service in this part I'm in full agreement with Raj999 for many do claim the name of Christ but don't know Jesus at all. The one saved by grace knows and love His master however and will desire and want to do his masters will
Manny
KellyJ is clearly missing a few screws. My condemnation of crooked evil Christians is in keeping with Biblical doctrine and tradition. He seems to think that there is no such thing as a evil Christian. Dont know why he keeps saying that.
Originally posted by Rajk999I asked you for scripture to back up what you said about the Bible saying
Thanks for your comment Menace. The story is no different then or now. Christians from the beginning of the early church were capable of being crooked and evil. The story of Ananias and Saphira is one such example, and there are many throughout the writings of the Apostles. Paul and Peter warned of the dangers of being drawn back into a worldly sinful lifest ...[text shortened]... ms to think that there is no such thing as a evil Christian. Dont know why he keeps saying that.
that Christians are crooked, the word Christian that I've seen only shows up
about three times in scripture. Not one of those had anything to do with
being crooked. You can look up the bride of Christ, tell me all the nasty
things that God says about His Bride if you'd like. You stand as an accuser
of the God's people which makes me wonder exactly whose side you on
because you most certainly seem to following the accuser more than
anyone else.
There are sinners who fake their relationship with God, but they are not part
of God's bride, no matter how many times you paint them as being that way.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayYou are a defender of the crooked. Whose side are you really on?
I asked you for scripture to back up what you said about the Bible saying
that Christians are crooked, the word Christian that I've seen only shows up
about three times in scripture. Not one of those had anything to do with
being crooked. You can look up the bride of Christ, tell me all the nasty
things that God says about His Bride if you'd like. You s ...[text shortened]... are not part
of God's bride, no matter how many times you paint them as being that way.
Kelly
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Originally posted by Rajk999No, I'm telling you that those who are walking with God with God's Spirit
You are a defender of the crooked. Whose side are you really on?
should not be lumped together with those that could care less about God
and are doing nothing, but walking after the flesh. The Bride of Christ, Jesus
paid a high price for them, He is sitting at the right hand of the Father due
to His shedding His blood for them. You accuse the whole church by lumping
all those who go by Christian with sinners who do not care about God.
Kelly
Originally posted by Rajk999So says Rajk999 leader of the Cherrypickers.
You are talking nonsense. The BIBLE refers to these crooked people as Christians who have fallen away. I am not smearing anyone who is clearly of God. I am talking of the evil Christians and there is such a thing.
Your definition cannot interpret what I say. Get that in your head.
This conversation is over. Its my last post to you.
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Originally posted by RJHindsAs I pointed out to him, he calls Christians evil, the Bride of Christ he calls
So says Rajk999 leader of the Cherrypickers.
evil. Those who walk with and in the Spirit of God he lumps in with evil, this
is his mindset. He is no different than Satan who accuses the Church day and
night.
Revelation 12:10
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
Kelly