Originally posted by vishvahetuThen don't you quote whatever it is you copy and paste.
I just said dont quote the Bible, or you will be misdirected as you are being misdirected now, by quoting that verse.
The Bible was written by the ruling class, to put fear in the people and have control over them.
Oh yeah, it's called drivel.
Originally posted by vishvahetuThe Bible was written by the ruling class, to put fear in the people and have control over them
I just said dont quote the Bible, or you will be misdirected as you are being misdirected now, by quoting that verse.
The Bible was written by the ruling class, to put fear in the people and have control over them.
baseless assertion for which you have no proof nor ever given any although been asked literally tens of times.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAre you kidding? Christianity has no control over people? That is exactly what Christianity is about. There isn't even anything to debate about it. Wake up and smell the roses. There are a billion people on the planet under the thrall of Christianity in all its 40,000 forms. It seems there are as many different definitions of Christianity as there are Christians.
The Bible was written by the ruling class, to put fear in the people and have control over them
baseless assertion for which you have no proof nor ever given any although been asked literally tens of times.
Personally I would love to see the day someone invents an anti religion virus that would infect the world and really open up peoples eyes to the wonder of our planet and how precious it is and how those billion Christians and those Billion Muslims and the rest can't see beyond the end of their collective noses that we are frigging destroying the planet, there won't be any humans left to fight over whose frigging god is stronger, righter, more spiritual and all that rot.
Wake up and smell the coffee while we still have a planet to wake up in. Otherwise you are going to find out sooner rather than later all about your supposed afterlives or reincarnations into cockroaches.
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Originally posted by sonhouseevidence please!!!
Are you kidding? Christianity has no control over people? That is exactly what Christianity is about. There isn't even anything to debate about it. Wake up and smell the roses. There are a billion people on the planet under the thrall of Christianity in all its 40,000 forms. It seems there are as many different definitions of Christianity as there are Chris oner rather than later all about your supposed afterlives or reincarnations into cockroaches.
the poster has stated that the Bible (distinct from Christianity and not synonymous with it) was written to control persons for political ends,
where is the evidence
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo you think they would just spell it out. Don't be naive. Worship no other gods before me. Fear and love me. Christians and Muslims come out of the same fold. Control, control, control. Also subjugate women. Women are only lately coming out of the tyranny of Christianity from centuries past, owned by men.
evidence please!!!
the poster has stated that the Bible (distinct from Christianity and not synonymous with it) was written to control persons for political ends,
where is the evidence
Muslims are about 300 years behind Christians in that regard. Both so-called religions have a LOT of collective harm to others to be rightfully judged by if there was such a judge, which unfortunately there is no such except us woefully dense humans who go on being duped by these religions generation after generation.
If I could will it into being I would will an anti religion virus into being in a trice and rid the world of a large measure of pain inflicted on so many cultures it is sickening. Think American Indians, Eskimos, Aborigines in Australia, Aztecs, the sick list goes on and on. Take a look at the Amerind reservations, such joyous happy places, all brought on by the arrogance of christianity.
And look what Muslims are doing in Africa as we speak, Muslim thug armies forcing whole villages to convert or die from whatever culture they had lived with for thousands of years, Muslims don't give a tinkers dam about any of that. Look at what the Taliban did to those incredible statues. Yessir, Islam, Christianity, just the god for me.
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Originally posted by sonhouseyou see, everyone must be governed by some precepts, otherwise there would be anarchy. What indeed is it about the teachings of Christ that you find offensive? for i feel it my duty to point out that what the teaching of Christ is and what Christians practice are two entirely different things.
Do you think they would just spell it out. Don't be naive. Worship no other gods before me. Fear and love me. Christians and Muslims come out of the same fold. Control, control, control. Also subjugate women. Women are only lately coming out of the tyranny of Christianity from centuries past, owned by men.
Muslims are about 300 years behind Christians i the Taliban did to those incredible statues. Yessir, Islam, Christianity, just the god for me.
As for the atrocities of the so called New world, i hardly think that the expansion was fuelled by religious fervour, more like the quest for Gold, for land, freedom from religious persecution, slavery both black and white, famines, land clearances and yes, social Darwinism in the guise of economic expansion.
Christ himself treated women with respect and dignity, the Bible itself teaches us to treat older women as mothers, younger women as sisters and our wife as our own body, to love and to cherish, which of these ideals seems to you to be lacking?
Originally posted by KellyJayI dont make it up as I go. I try to gleen the truth about whatever and follow it through to its logical conclusions.
You follow your own way, is that like you just make it up as you go?
If that is the case why would you ever complain that someone else' way is not to
one you can agree with or not? Since you are just following your way and I
suppose you allow for everyone else to do the same, than other 'ways' will not
always be in agreement and at odds, that would simply be the way of things
correct, no one way better than any other?
Kelly
Like when I read about Zen. I found it very helpful to make sense of my own spiritual experiences but I did not take it up as a religon, just as a guide for me.
Originally posted by karoly aczelYou take a little here, a little there, and mix it up the way you think it should be
I dont make it up as I go. I try to gleen the truth about whatever and follow it through to its logical conclusions.
Like when I read about Zen. I found it very helpful to make sense of my own spiritual experiences but I did not take it up as a religon, just as a guide for me.
done right? As I said, you make it up as you go.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayAnd that is as it should be. Spiritual quests are ALWAYS between the ears and always will be. Religions that start out with onion layers of rules which at the center is based on nothing but statements attempt to dupe people into believing religion is outside ones own head but ALL spirituality is between the ears. One of my main objections to organized so-called religions is the objection to independent thinking, instead just follow our lead and you will have a rich life (after you die, of course, now your situation is dire but believe me, you will be in paradise after you die, blah blah blah).
You take a little here, a little there, and mix it up the way you think it should be
done right? As I said, you make it up as you go.
Kelly
You should never criticize someone for an individualized approach to spirituality.
That is what everyone should be on, an individual quest, not fettered by the precepts of onion layers of religion which at the base has nothing.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieshameless bump for sonhouse!
you see, everyone must be governed by some precepts, otherwise there would be anarchy. What indeed is it about the teachings of Christ that you find offensive? for i feel it my duty to point out that what the teaching of Christ is and what Christians practice are two entirely different things.
As for the atrocities of the so called New world, i ...[text shortened]... wife as our own body, to love and to cherish, which of these ideals seems to you to be lacking?
Originally posted by sonhouseThe only reason anyone can become enlightened, is if there is some light to be
And that is as it should be. Spiritual quests are ALWAYS between the ears and always will be. Religions that start out with onion layers of rules which at the center is based on nothing but statements attempt to dupe people into believing religion is outside ones own head but ALL spirituality is between the ears. One of my main objections to organized so-ca ...[text shortened]... l quest, not fettered by the precepts of onion layers of religion which at the base has nothing.
had. Truth or reality isn't a personal opinion, God isn't an opinion, He is what He
is and our opinions on both God, truth, and reality are as flawed as we are.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayAll that is just your spouting of other people's thoughts. You don't have anything new to contribute because independent thinking is not allowed. You don't buck city hall.
The only reason anyone can become enlightened, is if there is some light to be
had. Truth or reality isn't a personal opinion, God isn't an opinion, He is what He
is and our opinions on both God, truth, and reality are as flawed as we are.
Kelly
As for the atrocities in the new world, it was not just the 'new world' it was everywhere on the entire planet Christians came in contact with their arrogant views that they were superior by god given edict.
"As for the atrocities of the so called New world, i hardly think that the expansion was fuelled by religious fervour, more like the quest for Gold, for land, freedom from religious persecution, slavery both black and white, famines, land clearances and yes, social Darwinism in the guise of economic expansion."
Sure the Conquistador's were after gold. It was only later when the world class assshole arrogant priests came to the Aztecs, they burned thousands of Aztec codex books, now there is maybe 4 left out of an entire civilization. That is unspeakably arrogant on a scale close to genocide. The collected thought of an entire civilization burned. Yessir, godda love that god. Maybe you didn't get that part in your schooling but if you don't believe me, google it.