-Removed-Reincarnation has nothing to do with taking another birth because it may be a better life.(stop speculating).....its about being afforded another birth to have an opportunity to take to the spiritual life and return home, back to Godhead.
I have repeatedly said this world is a place of suffering, so why would you assume its about getting a better birth.
No birth is actually better, because you have to suffer every time.
If you have no sensitivity for animal cruelty, then you are lost.
You dont get eternal life from the man Jesus, because you are already eternal, and could not be mortal if you tried, ....its just a matter of whether you want to be eternal in the this material world of suffering, or in the spiritual world.
The Bible has no knowledge, and your the proof because you spout falsity, which misdirects the people actually away from God.
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Originally posted by KellyJayWell, it's evident that rather than consider what I am writing, you are bound and determine to make of this what you will. I've tried to clarify in a few different ways, but it seems your mind is closed.
I'm not joining you in anything. I have no idea exactly what you are talking about,
you have been vague and it seems your only purpose has been to run down
Christians. Which makes your whole point to be guilty of what you are suggesting
Christians are doing. Give specifics names, quotes, context....
Kelly
Here's the crux of the OP:
There have been a number of threads and posts that are Islamophobic or Homophobic in nature. From what I can tell, the vast majority have been posted by Christians and/or supported by Christians. It also seems that the vast majority of those speaking out against such hatred have been non-Christians.
Based on that, it seems that Christianity is more a religion of hatred rather than of love.
Read the last line actually says instead of projecting what you think it says upon it. Maybe this is too subtle a point, but it begins, "Based on that, it seems that..." as in "If one were to draw conclusions from the above, it would SEEM that Christianity is more a religion of hatred rather than of love". I guess it was unrealistic to think that some may have an "aha moment" and come to the realization as to what they were doing. As I said, if it were Buddhists, I would have criticised Buddhists. But it wasn't Buddhists. It is what it is.
Unfortunately, it seems that there were no "aha moments" and it seems unlikely that there will be. More's the pity.
If you really want examples, you don't have to look too hard. Heck, there are even some on this thread. Specifically here are a couple: The first couple of pages of the "Unifying Truth" thread and the following: ttp://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=136598&page=2#post_2592991
Originally posted by vishvahetuThere's no reason anyone should believe you. You offer only conjecture, and demonstrably false conjecture at that.
You have no clue what Jesus spoke of, because the Bible has been fabricated to make Jesus into a God, and to teach false teachings to satisfy the animal killers.
You quote the Bible as if it were the authority, but it isn't because it has much error.
It has much error because it was compiled under the direction of unscrupulous politicians and the Jewish clergy of the time, who were all unenlightened.
Originally posted by epiphinehasNot that I disagree with your post here, but I'd just like to point out, referencing your other thread, that you're perhaps committing the same fallacy(?) as we atheists do when you dismiss the unintelligible claims in his religion in favour of those in yours :]
There's no reason anyone should believe you. You offer only conjecture, and demonstrably false conjecture at that.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneMy mind isn't closed, I agree that people who claim to be Christian do and write
Well, it's evident that rather than consider what I am writing, you are bound and determine to make of this what you will. I've tried to clarify in a few different ways, but it seems your mind is closed.
Here's the crux of the OP:
[quote]There have been a number of threads and posts that are Islamophobic or Homophobic in nature. From what I can tell, ...[text shortened]... tp://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=136598&page=2#post_2592991
nasty things. Where you and I part company is that I say this is a human thing
not Christian, and you have gone out of your way to belittle Christians as you
are claiming Christians have done to others, so you are as guilty as everyone else,
and you like those you are comaplaining about are justifying yourself in why you
can be hateful, because of....
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayYou mean like in the middle ages when Christianity actively killed off independent science, such as it existed then? You perhaps remember what they did to Galileo?
My mind isn't closed, I agree that people who claim to be Christian do and write
nasty things. Where you and I part company is that I say this is a human thing
not Christian, and you have gone out of your way to belittle Christians as you
are claiming Christians have done to others, so you are as guilty as everyone else,
and you like those you are comaplaining about are justifying yourself in why you
can be hateful, because of....
Kelly
Or the inquisitions? Nice one there, real love involved. Do you know there is still an inquisition office open in South America?
What about the selling of 'indulgences'?
How about the crusades? Lots of love there.
How about the witchhunts in the US a couple hundred years ago? Was that love calling?
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Originally posted by KellyJayYou continue to ignore what I actually said in the OP as well as the subsequent explanations and stick with your original false interpretations of what I said and your false accuations. If you had an open mind, you'd be able to take the subsequent explanations, reformulate your intrepretations and would then withdraw your accusations. So while you can claim that your mind is open, the evidence shows otherwise. That said, there seems to be little point in further trying to get you to understand the reality of the situation.
My mind isn't closed, I agree that people who claim to be Christian do and write
nasty things. Where you and I part company is that I say this is a human thing
not Christian, and you have gone out of your way to belittle Christians as you
are claiming Christians have done to others, so you are as guilty as everyone else,
and you like those you are comaplaining about are justifying yourself in why you
can be hateful, because of....
Kelly
Originally posted by sonhouseAgain, NOT denying any of these things, I'm also sure if either of us wanted we
You mean like in the middle ages when Christianity actively killed off independent science, such as it existed then? You perhaps remember what they did to Galileo?
Or the inquisitions? Nice one there, real love involved. Do you know there is still an inquisition office open in South America?
What about the selling of 'indulgences'?
How about the ...[text shortened]... here.
How about the witchhunts in the US a couple hundred years ago? Was that love calling?
could find NON-Christians doing evil things to others as well...which is my point that
the human race as a whole is guilty of wicked things! So justifying belittling one
group for something all have done is just more of the same.
Kelly
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI'm not ignoring your point, I'm pointing out you are doing what you are accusing
You continue to ignore what I actually said in the OP as well as the subsequent explanations and stick with your original false interpretations of what I said and your false accuations. If you had an open mind, you'd be able to take the subsequent explanations, reformulate your intrepretations and would then withdraw your accusations. So while you can cl ...[text shortened]... ems to be little point in further trying to get you to understand the reality of the situation.
others of doing, but you feel justified because ____ which I'm sure those you are
talking about also felt justified in what they did and said as well.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayActually, you do keep ignoring my points. Instead of commenting on them in any meaningful way or asking for clarification, you repeat the same misleading accusation over and over again. Also when I posted examples as you requested you ignored them too. So it's ridiculous that you claim that you're not ignoring them. You're really something.
I'm not ignoring your point, I'm pointing out you are doing what you are accusing
others of doing, but you feel justified because ____ which I'm sure those you are
talking about also felt justified in what they did and said as well.
Kelly
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThat is because you do nothing but make the same claim over and over, you
Actually, you do keep ignoring my points. Instead of commenting on them in any meaningful way or asking for clarification, you repeat the same misleading accusation over and over again. Also when I posted examples as you requested you ignored them too. So it's ridiculous that you claim that you're not ignoring them. You're really something.
call other people evil and run down an entire body of believers calling them names.
You and I agree that people who call themselves Christians do all the things you
and others have said! Not denying any of that, but you by your name calling are
also guilty of a little hatemongering yourself for singling out one group out of the
whole as if they were the only ones to do those things.
Kelly