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    Well do you agree with me that make-believe Christians outnumber those who are genuine followers and believers?
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    17 Nov '05 03:32
    Originally posted by frogstomp
    wrong bf most christians follow the teachings of Paul.

    btw most in the ministry live in houses, unlike Christ who did not.
    All Christians follow the Teachings of CHRIST/HOLY SPIRIT/ GOD which are one. Today most christians live in houses. As does most of everyone else.
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    17 Nov '05 03:32
    ALL Christians follow the teachings of CHRIST, not Paul. The fundamental teachings and beliefs of Christianity are all from Jesus. Otherwise they would be called Paulians.
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    17 Nov '05 03:33
    Originally posted by Bromage
    Well do you agree with me that make-believe Christians outnumber those who are genuine followers and believers?
    NO
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    17 Nov '05 03:37
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
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    read this by Thomas Jefferson :

    "No historical fact is better established, than that the doctrine of one God, pure and uncompounded, was that of the early ages of Christianity . . . Nor was the unity of the Supreme Being ousted from the Christian creed by the force of reason, but by the sword of civil government, wielded at the will of the Athanasius. The hocus-pocus phantasm of a God like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands of martyrs . . . The Athanasian paradox that one is three, and three but one, is so incomprehensible to the human mind, that no candid man can say he has any idea of it, and how can he believe what presents no idea? He who thinks he does, only deceives himself. He proves, also, that man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such person, gullibility which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck." -- Thomas Jefferson: Letter to James Smith, Dec. 8, 1822

    a bit of Deism for you to chomp on
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    17 Nov '05 03:48
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
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    and a bit more from Thomas Paine's Age of Reason :

    "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid, or produces only atheists and fanatics. As an engine of power it serves the purpose of despotism; and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests; but so far as respects the good of man in general, it leads to nothing here or hereafter."

    chomp on that as bit.
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    17 Nov '05 03:49
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
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    Well I'm afraid you're living in ignorance. Christianity started out as a good idea. But it's long since gone to the dogs, because it has been vested with so much POWER. And power, only too often, is fuelled by evil.
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    17 Nov '05 03:50
    Originally posted by frogstomp
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    "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid, or produces onl ...[text shortened]... priests; but so far as respects the good of man in general, it leads to nothing here or hereafter."
    My point exactly.
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    17 Nov '05 04:10
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    some more of Thomas Paine for you to chomp on:

    "As it is necessary to affix right ideas to words, I will, before I proceed further into the subject, offer some other observations on the word revelation. Revelation, when applied to religion, means something communicated immediately from God to man.
    No one will deny or dispute the power of the Almighty to make such a communication, if he pleases. But admitting, for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be a revelation to all those persons. It is revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently they are not obliged to believe it.
    It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication — after this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him."
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    17 Nov '05 04:13
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
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    and one more bit of the Age of Reason to chomp:

    "That such a person as Jesus Christ existed, and that he was crucified, which was the mode of execution at that day, are historical relations strictly within the limits of probability. He preached most excellent morality and the equality of man; but he preached also against the corruptions and avarice of the Jewish priests, and this brought upon him the hatred and vengeance of the whole order of priesthood. The accusation which those priests brought against him was that of sedition and conspiracy against the Roman government, to which the Jews were then subject and tributary; and it is not improbable that the Roman government might have some secret apprehensions of the effects of his doctrine, as well as the Jewish priests; neither is it improbable that Jesus Christ had in contemplation the delivery of the Jewish nation from the bondage of the Romans. Between the two, however, this virtuous reformer and revolutionist lost his life."
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    17 Nov '05 04:18
    Originally posted by frogstomp
    read this by Thomas Jefferson :

    "No historical fact is better established, than that the doctrine of one God, pure and uncompounded, was that of the early ages of Christianity . . . Nor was the unity of the Supreme Being ousted from the Christian creed by the force of reason, but by the sword of civil government, wielded at the will of the Athanas ...[text shortened]... mas Jefferson: Letter to James Smith, Dec. 8, 1822

    a bit of Deism for you to chomp on
    Fisrt of all was Thomas Jefferson a Saved man, By THE WORD OF GOD, standards? Second He is talking about how and when The Forces of Evil invaded the Church, and how they complicated the wallk with CHRIST. And how the Forces of Evil are still abound in the church. Which is something CHRIST plainly spoke of in MATTHEW 13:24-43.
    CHRIST himself will separate the False Doctrine from the True Doctrine.
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    17 Nov '05 04:20
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
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    a bit more:

    "These books, beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation (which, by the by, is a book of riddles that requires a revelation to explain it), are, we are told, the word of God. It is, therefore, proper for us to know who told us so, that we may know what credit to give to the report. The answer to this question is, that nobody can tell, except that we tell one another so. The case, however, historically appears to be as follows:
    When the Church Mythologists established their system, they collected all the writings they could find, and managed them as they pleased. It is a matter altogether of uncertainty to us whether such of the writings as now appear under the name of the Old and New Testament are in the same state in which those collectors say they found them, or whether they added, altered, abridged, or dressed them up.
    Be this as it may, they decided by vote which of the books out of the collection they had made should be the WORD OF GOD, and which should not. They rejected several; they voted others to be doubtful, such as the books called the Apocrypha; and those books which had a majority of votes, were voted to be the word of God. Had they voted otherwise, all the people, since calling themselves Christians, had believed otherwise — for the belief of the one comes from the vote of the other. Who the people were that did all this, we know nothing of; they called themselves by the general name of the Church, and this is all we know of the matter.
    As we have no other external evidence or authority for believing these books to be the word of God than what I have mentioned, which is no evidence or authority at all, I come, in the next place, to examine the internal evidence contained in the books themselves."

    are you done chomping yet?
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    17 Nov '05 04:23
    Originally posted by frogstomp
    and a bit more from Thomas Paine's Age of Reason :

    "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsi ...[text shortened]... e good of man in general, it leads to nothing here or hereafter."

    chomp on that as bit.
    That is why you donot believe in Christianity, you Believe in THE WORD OF GOD.THE WORD OF GOD directs the Believer on how and what to believe in. We donot believe in the Teachings of Man. We believe in the teachings that are in THE WORD OF GOD.
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    17 Nov '05 04:24
    Originally posted by Bromage
    Well I'm afraid you're living in ignorance. Christianity started out as a good idea. But it's long since gone to the dogs, because it has been vested with so much POWER. And power, only too often, is fuelled by evil.
    Until the return of CHRIST faith and trust in THE WORD OF GOD, is the only wat to go.
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    17 Nov '05 04:24
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
    That is why you donot believe in Christianity, you Believe in THE WORD OF GOD.THE WORD OF GOD directs the Believer on how and what to believe in. We donot believe in the Teachings of Man. We believe in the teachings that are in THE WORD OF GOD.
    keep reading bf you have only your chains to lose.
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