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    20 Oct '20 01:28
    @philokalia said
    I think that the system honestly works and it serves to keep the forums clean.
    It seems rather odd that you think you have any credibility making pronouncements about standards for forum posting.
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    @divegeester said
    I think that with yourself, the scenario is as I describe in my post above. And which you downvoted ...
    Strange thing.. I actually did not down vote it.
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    @secondson said
    Porn industry
    Market Size: $10bn
    Number of Businesses: 7,928
    Industry Employment: 39,131



    Hyperbole? Are you joking?! Detrimental to society? You decide. The truth is supported by the facts, and the fact is porn may be the most detrimental force affecting society fiscally, medically, emotionally, psychologically and spiritually, globally, than some clogged arteries.
    Wow. Porn really rubs you the wrong way. The one thing missing in all of your stats is evidence that the Democrats alone are to blame for it all. Do you suppose only Democrats are facilitating, distributing, consuming, and producing it? Get real.


    Oh, BTW, Trump slept with a porn starlet, then paid her hush money during his presidential campaign, then lied about it and shows no sign of contrition; more like a smug 'Hey, I got away with that, too!'


    Evangelicals would do well to recall the words of Stephen Paine (then-president of the NAE) that evangelicals should be wary of increasing engagement with the government. They risk the state filling “the place which the Lord should be.” Neither the state nor faith benefits from their mingling, he argued. Particularly not when the head of state you're mingling with is Caligula, I might add. He does not actually believe what you believe, you know. He's interested only in your vote, not your religion or your religious agenda.
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    @moonbus said
    Oh, BTW, Trump slept with a porn starlet, then paid her hush money during his presidential campaign, then lied about it and shows no sign of contrition; more like a smug 'Hey, I got away with that, too!'
    And paid hush money illegally, by committing campaign finance violations by using campaign funds to do so.

    Yet Christians think this guy is sent from God.
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    @moonbus said
    Wow. Porn really rubs you the wrong way. The one thing missing in all of your stats is evidence that the Democrats alone are to blame for it all.
    Bill had “intern office girl” favourited.
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    @vivify said
    And paid hush money illegally, by committing campaign finance violations by using campaign funds to do so.

    Yet Christians think this guy is sent from God.
    The Lord helps them that help themselves in mysterious ways.
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    @moonbus said
    Wow. Porn really rubs you the wrong way. The one thing missing in all of your stats is evidence that the Democrats alone are to blame for it all. Do you suppose only Democrats are facilitating, distributing, consuming, and producing it? Get real.


    Oh, BTW, Trump slept with a porn starlet, then paid her hush money during his presidential campaign, then lied about it and sh ...[text shortened]... ou believe, you know. He's interested only in your vote, not your religion or your religious agenda.
    Absolutely.
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    @moonbus said
    Evangelicals would do well to recall the words of Stephen Paine (then-president of the NAE) that evangelicals should be wary of increasing engagement with the government. They risk the state filling “the place which the Lord should be.” Neither the state nor faith benefits from their mingling, he argued. Particularly not when the head of state you're mingling with is Caligula ...[text shortened]... ou believe, you know. He's interested only in your vote, not your religion or your religious agenda.
    And the conservative Christians, while perhaps invested in his salvation, are basically only interested in what he can do for them as a pro-life President and as a politician standing up to their enemies.

    The feeling is mutual.

    The clarity of this becomes confused only when you assume that the Christian conservatives do not have independent thoughts on this.
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    @philokalia said
    The clarity of this becomes confused only when you assume that the Christian conservatives do not have independent thoughts on this.
    When a large number of Christians continually claim Trump was chosen by God or say "Thank God for Trump", they clearly don't have independent thoughts. When they defend his lying about a pandemic, they clearly don't have "independent thoughts". When they overlook Trump cheating on is wife with a porn star then covering it by committing a crime, and watch him discuss his penis during a televised debate, etc., etc., etc....

    Christians clearly don't have "independent thought". They have a hive mindset. Not surprising given they follow a figure that refers to them as "sheep".
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    @philokalia said
    The clarity of this becomes confused only when you assume that the Christian conservatives do not have independent thoughts on this.
    While you have self-identified as a conservative and a Christian, you've never struck me as being an "independent" thinker. Do you think you are?
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    @philokalia said
    And the conservative Christians, while perhaps invested in his salvation, are basically only interested in what he can do for them as a pro-life President and as a politician standing up to their enemies.

    The feeling is mutual.

    The clarity of this becomes confused only when you assume that the Christian conservatives do not have independent thoughts on this.
    If Trump is doing anything for conservative Christians, it isn't because he believes in what conservative Christians believe in. He does nothing for anyone but himself; his nominee for the SC has no interest for him, apart from securing the Evangelical vote in the upcoming election. Hardly a holy or even a noble motive. The most charitable interpretation I can put on it is that God may sometimes use unholy vessels to accomplish divine ends. As the Catholics say, the sacrament is still effective, even if administered by a pedophile priest (or, in Trump's case, a philandering president).

    According to Michael Cohen, Trump actually despises what Evangelicals believe in, called it bulls*t. Trump thinks conservative Christians are useful idiots--he's counting on their votes to carry this election. Maybe the feeling is mutual, as you say. But are Evangelicals really willing to put up with all the rest of his abominations (trampling of law, trampling of separation of powers, blatant abuse of power, nepotism, philandering, etc.) just to get Roe overturned?
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    @vivify said
    When a large number of Christians continually claim Trump was chosen by God or say "Thank God for Trump", they clearly don't have independent thoughts. When they defend his lying about a pandemic, they clearly don't have "independent thoughts". When they overlook Trump cheating on is wife with a porn star then covering it by committing a crime, and watch him discuss his peni ...[text shortened]... They have a hive mindset. Not surprising given they follow a figure that refers to them as "sheep".
    I've posted on this before... But I don't know Christians saying that, and rather, I listen to a lot of conservative Christian podcasts, and there's a tidy list of people I can tell you right now who condemn his personal life but are supporting his political positions...

    Fr. Josiah Trenham (Orthodox)
    Fr. Mitch Pacwa (Catholic)
    James White (Presbyterian)
    Michael Brown (Baptist)
    Al Mohler (Baptist)

    The list goes on.

    I think you are strawmanning here.
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    @moonbus said
    If Trump is doing anything for conservative Christians, it isn't because he believes in what conservative Christians believe in. He does nothing for anyone but himself; his nominee for the SC has no interest for him, apart from securing the Evangelical vote in the upcoming election. Hardly a holy or even a noble motive. The most charitable interpretation I can put on it is th ...[text shortened]... of powers, blatant abuse of power, nepotism, philandering, etc.) just to get Roe overturned?
    I think that there are plenty of Christians and pro-life people who think Trump is an idiot who will be casting their vote for him on Nov. 3rd.

    The feeling is mutual.

    He uses us for votes; we use him for putting pro-life Judges on SCOTUS and representing us on a national level.

    If there is some who admire him, good for them. If Pres. Trump also does like us, good for him.

    I cannot judge the heart of a man.
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    @philokalia said
    I think that there are plenty of Christians and pro-life people who think Trump is an idiot who will be casting their vote for him on Nov. 3rd.

    The feeling is mutual.

    He uses us for votes; we use him for putting pro-life Judges on SCOTUS and representing us on a national level.

    If there is some who admire him, good for them. If Pres. Trump also does like us, good for him.

    I cannot judge the heart of a man.
    Given their obvious divergence on personal morality issues the most apt way to describe the relationship between Trump and conservative / evangelical Christians is an open eyed symbiosis.
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    @philokalia said
    I think that there are plenty of Christians and pro-life people who think Trump is an idiot who will be casting their vote for him on Nov. 3rd.

    The feeling is mutual.

    He uses us for votes; we use him for putting pro-life Judges on SCOTUS and representing us on a national level.

    If there is some who admire him, good for them. If Pres. Trump also does like us, good for him.

    I cannot judge the heart of a man.
    This is the right thing to do. The electorate should ideally be voting for policies and principles of the party. While Biden and Harris might be appealing with their enticing words, there are socialists and communists in their ranks.
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