Originally posted by KellyJayBut we already agreed that the existence of the car keys does require belief. My point is that you call facts things that you personally are confident is true and claim that something that someone else may be confident is true is mere faith if you yourself are not so confident. In other words you are arrogant enough to believe that you are the determining factor between what is a fact and what is not.
I limit those things that I call facts which does not require my belief,
such as having my car keys, they are either with me or they are not.
Do you consider the existence of stars to be fact or faith?
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The argument for the Defenders of a Young Universe is:
You can't know for sure Universe is that old, so why do you dare argue the possibility of a Young Universe?
There are SO MANY evidences universe is a lot older then 10k yrs you wouldn't believe.
So let's admit the 14 billion yrs for the age of the universe is wrong. Let's just focus that the bible is completely wrong.
So please stop using arguments "you can never know for sure, it's just faith as well"... that's very stupid and walks away from the main argument.
We may not know for definite sure our theories, but what the bible says is definitely wrong. And between one and the other the logical is to stick with the most plausible one.
1 - Stars are light years away
2 - Speed of light is constant
You have to deny one of this assumptions to keep your argument.
If you deny (2), light would have to travel 1000000x times faster at some point and then suddenly brake to the speed we currently see.
If you deny (1), Hubble law is wrong, telescopes are wrong, and everything we see in the sky is just a made up illusion. The whole physics would be wrong.
So... please elaborate on this topics instead of saying as stupid as "that's your faith".
BTW: How the hell do I get to the last page of a thread?, without having to go 1 page at a time after I click in the "20" ?
Originally posted by serigadoOn the forum page, there are 2 links for each discussion. The 'discussion name' link goes to the first page and the 'Last Post' link goes to the last page.
BTW: How the hell do I get to the last page of a thread?, without having to go 1 page at a time after I click in the "20" ?
--- Penguin.
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Originally posted by twhitehead"I merely pointed out that if they are millions of light years away then the light took millions of years to reach us therefore they existed millions of light years ago."
I never said anything about when they began. I merely pointed out that if they are millions of light years away then the light took millions of years to reach us therefore they existed millions of light years ago. Therefore the universe is millions of years old. For the purposes of my argument, where and when they began is totally irrelevant.
You on the ...[text shortened]... hand via some means that is consistent with observation but does not necessitate a real car key.
As I pointed out, you do not know how long that light has been here!
You may know the distance, you may know the speed of light, but
those are the only things we may know for sure just by looking at them.
If creation is true, I use "if" because it is a matter of faith I cannot
prove it any more than you can prove the other, than the stars were
created as signs, meaning the light hitting the earth was created the
same time the stars were. It would be like God created a flash light
with the light on and hitting what ever it was shinning on
instantaneously.
You argument assumed you knew the answer to how long they were
there so you could assign a value to the age of the light hitting the
earth, it is an assumption on your part.
Kelly
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Originally posted by serigadoClick on the date, not the name of the thread.
The argument for the Defenders of a Young Universe is:
You can't know for sure Universe is that old, so why do you dare argue the possibility of a Young Universe?
There are SO MANY evidences universe is a lot older then 10k yrs you wouldn't believe.
So let's admit the 14 billion yrs for the age of the universe is wrong. Let's just focus that the bible i age of a thread?, without having to go 1 page at a time after I click in the "20" ?
Kelly
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Originally posted by serigado"So... please elaborate on this topics instead of saying as stupid as "that's your faith". "
The argument for the Defenders of a Young Universe is:
You can't know for sure Universe is that old, so why do you dare argue the possibility of a Young Universe?
There are SO MANY evidences universe is a lot older then 10k yrs you wouldn't believe.
So let's admit the 14 billion yrs for the age of the universe is wrong. Let's just focus that the bible i age of a thread?, without having to go 1 page at a time after I click in the "20" ?
Are you a mornon? If you want to have a discussion how about treating
others with a little more respect, otherwise, just go strait to insults and
not bother people with questions. If you have no real desire to see the
answers to and only care to belittle someone why pretend to ask
anything? If you want to know what people think you are going to
have to get their points of view, you may or may not agree with them,
but that is the point of the discussion.
Kelly
Originally posted by Sargent CarpfaceI've no questions; I'm a Christian evolutionist.
Well what do you think? For you retarted evolutionists, Dust formed the big bang, Well where did the dust come from, Dust forms from dead skin. Got any answers? Post them here. If you can. 😛 :# EVOLUTION IS WRONG!
Originally posted by KellyJayI was talking about my post from 1/10:
I have been having internet issues, and have had days where we
cannot get online. As far as the looking at the light and making a
claim on the lights age, I said you cannot know that answer just by
looking at it.
Kelly
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There is as star a million light years away.
Suggest how the light gets here under an arbitrary number of years that is smaller then million (let's say 5768 years).
Originally posted by RetrovirusAs I said I have already answered that, since this is a creation debate
I was talking about my post from 1/10:
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There is as star a million light years away.
Suggest how the light gets here under an arbitrary number of years that is smaller then million (let's say 5768 years).
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the answer is, God did it! When he created the stars the light stricking
the earth was also created at the same time, making our light the
same age as the stars themselves. If you are talking about light
leaving a star millions of light years away, it would take millions of
years to reach here.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaySo, you mean the light was created not in the star itself, but rather in space so it would get here now - and thus we are able to see the star.
As I said I have already answered that, since this is a creation debate
the answer is, God did it! When he created the stars the light stricking
the earth was also created at the same time, making our light the
same age as the stars themselves. If you are talking about light
leaving a star millions of light years away, it would take millions of
years to reach here.
Kelly
So, how can you prove the star really is out there?
Originally posted by KellyJayYou talk, talk, talk, but say nothing.
"So... please elaborate on this topics instead of saying as stupid as "that's your faith". "
Are you a mornon? If you want to have a discussion how about treating
others with a little more respect, otherwise, just go strait to insults and
not bother people with questions. If you have no real desire to see the
answers to and only care to belittle someo ...[text shortened]... view, you may or may not agree with them,
but that is the point of the discussion.
Kelly
I have given no answers whatsoever to my points of view. Respect is earned. Are you going to answer or just keep quiet cause there are no more valid arguments?