Originally posted by Treytrumpet1Actually the only reason why you believe that a car is evidence for car manufacturers is because you know about the existence of car manufacturers. You do not have any other valid reason for believing the car to be designed.
You see, the very fact that a car is here and that the body of the car is placed as such for an engine to be assembed and placed inside, and a transmission and axil and wheels and tires working together shows DESIGN. I know that since cars are designed, there must be a designer, which is the car manufacturer.
When the wind blows the sea it creates waves. If you looked at one wave and the beauty of its form and the way in which it travels across the surface of the sea etc etc you would conclude that it was designed would you not? So does God design every wave? Are all patterns evidence for design? What rule are you using to make such conclusions? Surely the only real argument you have is "I am too stupid to see how it could have come about via any process other than design".
Originally posted by twhiteheadIndeed.
Actually the only reason why you believe that a car is evidence for car manufacturers is because you know about the existence of car manufacturers. You do not have any other valid reason for believing the car to be designed.
When the wind blows the sea it creates waves. If you looked at one wave and the beauty of its form and the way in which it travels ...[text shortened]... ve is "I am too stupid to see how it could have come about via any process other than design".
A belief in God ironically often indicates a remarkable lack of imagination.
If He is such a great designer can someone please explain what good a random cell in a fruit fly turning cancerous does the world?
Or perhaps why over 25% of human embryos are naturally miscarried in the first 6 weeks?
Originally posted by SquelchbelchThats and easy one! All bad things in the world are a result of sin. 🙂
Indeed.
A belief in God ironically often indicates a remarkable lack of imagination.
If He is such a great designer can someone please explain what good a random cell in a fruit fly turning cancerous does the world?
Or perhaps why over 25% of human embryos are naturally miscarried in the first 6 weeks?
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Originally posted by Treytrumpet1That's the most stupid argument I ever seen. You don't understand a thing about science. "Intelligent Design".... Go to a normal school learn basic stuff and refrain from telling unjustified non-sense.
I submit to you that we can know that God exists. Some assert that there is not enough evidence for proof that such is in existence; however this response will attempt to submit that very evidence that is supposedly lacking. It may be that those who would say that there is no proof that God exists, care not to examine or even look for such evidence. s absolutely overwhelming evidence for an intelligent Designer: that Designer is God.
You're argument is: "Look, is everything so beautiful and complex, it must have been made by a super-intelligent being."
If you don't comprehend the processes behind, that's a completely different thing.
Look at fractals. Are they intelligently designed? No! They are ultra-simple to explain mathematically, yet they are INFINITELY complex and beautiful. Did God create them too?
And how about deterministic chaos? (of course you don't know what this is), it's infinitely complex, unexpected behavior, just like nature, and SO easy to explain... just a couple of differential equations and a couple of parameters are necessary.
If you need a God , that's one thing. If nature needs a god to explain itself, let me tell you: IT DOESN'T.
Originally posted by Treytrumpet1Do you understand what evolution means? And what the result of evolution would be, in all these things you mention (except cars)?
I submit to you that we can know that God exists. Some assert that there is not enough evidence for proof that such is in existence; however this response will attempt to submit that very evidence that is supposedly lacking. It may be that those who would say that there is no proof that God exists, care not to examine or even look for such evidence. ...[text shortened]... s absolutely overwhelming evidence for an intelligent Designer: that Designer is God.
I'm not certain how healthy this conversation is. People spend too much time attacking one another. I am fairly sure that evolution is correct based upon mounds of scientific data which back it up. I am also comfortable with the idea that there is no intelligent design and no God.
This does not mean, however, that I need to engage in an attack upon anyone regarding the issue. What everyone needs to do is analyze why they believe what they do - even me. My past experiences, education, etc. have led me to my belief system, and all people - religious or otherwise - should determine what prejudices we have coddled while forming our belief systems.
After all, we could all be wrong...
Originally posted by Ou Leiif only everyone was you, we'd all be smart enough to see our faith is wrong.... *sigh*
I'm not certain how healthy this conversation is. People spend too much time attacking one another. I am fairly sure that evolution is correct based upon mounds of scientific data which back it up. I am also comfortable with the idea that there is no intelligent design and no God.
This does not mean, however, that I need to engage in an attack upon anyon ...[text shortened]... udices we have coddled while forming our belief systems.
After all, we could all be wrong...
Originally posted by telerionActually, it's closer to 4.4 billion years old.
[b]So you have an issue with inference through time, especially when the event cannot be reproduced currently.
Would you be more comfortable with the statement: "All empirical evidence strongly suggests that the earth is approximately 3.2 billion years old?"
Originally posted by snowinscotlandWe all base what we think is right and wrong based on all that is us,
...based on your faith?
and yes faith is part of you as it is me. I believe that the Bible is the
Word of God, others have other things they also rely on, does that
change anything, it is part of who we are. I do not understand your
continued question, if you do not know how to figure out right and
wrong for yourself, you should be careful some one else will tell you.
Kelly