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@fmf saidThe ‘grown-up’ discussion where you were mocking me and saying you thought I made this all up? Yes, I remember that very vividly indeed.
Perhaps you interpreting grown-up discussion of what happened as being merely "having a dig" at you is a lingering effect of what the cult did to you. Just a thought.
@dj2becker saidI am not "mocking" you.
The ‘grown-up’ discussion where you were mocking me and saying you thought I made this all up? Yes, I remember that very vividly indeed.
@dj2becker saidIf there are people here who think I am lying about you, I am OK with that.
My story hasn’t changed I think you are mistaken, I have no reason to lie at all about what happened.
@petewxyz saidWhen you suggested that parents who do not protect their children from being raped were perhaps "unfit to parent", was that not a moral stance on your part?
I think your moral righteous stance is generally unhelpful and something that irks me after years of seeing different reactions to abuse, but I suspect you will simply say that I have a moral righteous stance rather than reflect on that so I will leave it there.
@petewxyz saidDo you take any kind of moral stance on a parent believing that child abuse was okay and a part of proper religious rituals? Yes or no. Do you take any kind of moral stance on a parent not protecting their child from being raped and not alerting anyone else to the danger that women and children may also be raped? Yes or no. Take a moral stance that you feel cannot be misrepresented.
I should add that you and I both know that you have selectively quoted me in your above post in a manner that constitutes a serious misrepresentation.
@dj2becker saidWhy didn't you do something to expose it when you managed to escape after 25 years? What were you thinking ~ during the last 10 or so years ~ about the people 'still trapped there"? Having "escaped" yourself, did you not have any moral obligations to alert anyone?
I managed to escape after 25 years. I feel for the ones that are still trapped there.
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@fmf saidAgain you are making fallacious assumptions. You’re just looking for more information to troll with aren’t you?
Why didn't you do something to expose it when you managed to escape after 25 years? What were you thinking ~ during the last 10 or so years ~ about the people 'still trapped there"? Having "escaped" yourself, did you not have any moral obligations to alert anyone?
@dj2becker saidIt's just the thread topic, surely?
Again you are making fallacious assumptions. You’re just looking for more information to troll with aren’t you?
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One aspect of the cult that is hard to fathom is that most people that live there have no idea what is really going on behind the scenes. Any visitor that visits the place thinks it’s heaven on earth. The place does a lot of good things so any kind of critique is met with absolute resistance. Here is a video one of the members just recently made in defense of the the place. You can see from the comments that most people think News24 are spreading lies.
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@dj2becker saidThat is not hard to fathom at all. You are diverting focus away from the issue. In any group there will be a wide and diverging set of opinions about what is going on. Nobody cares about who thinks the place was heaven on earth. Here is the issue in plain english. There are some people who knew for years [decades even] that physical and sexual abuse was going on, even against children. They did nothing. They are therefore guilty of stupidity and negligence. You appear to be one of these.
One aspect of the cult that is hard to fathom is that most people that live there have no idea what is really going on behind the scenes. Any visitor that visits the place thinks it’s heaven on earth. The place does a lot of good things so any kind of critique is met with absolute resistance. Here is a video one of the members just recently made in defense of the the place. ...[text shortened]... from the comments that most people think News24 are spreading lies.
https://youtu.be/6dNjreQp6AI
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@rajk999 saidWe didn’t do nothing Rajk. Who told you we did nothing? The media published about them many time over the past 20 years.
That is not hard to fathom at all. You are diverting focus away from the issue. In any group there will be a wide and diverging set of opinions about what is going on. Nobody cares about who thinks the place was heaven on earth. Here is the issue in plain english. There are some people who knew for years [decades even] that physical and sexual abuse was going on, even again ...[text shortened]... y did nothing. They are therefore guilty of stupidity and negligence. You appear to be one of these.
https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/report-into-kwasizabantu-mission-written-20-years-ago-warns-of-cult-like-behaviour-20201001
PS: What is it with you kicking people when they are down? It’s so contrary to the teachings of Christ that you always seem to harp about.
@dj2becker saidYou know nothing of the teachings of Christ otherwise you would not even get caught up in a cult. You are a once saved always saved gullible church sycophant, who idolizes the pastor. You spent the last 4 years or so condemning what I said about the teachings of Christ and calling me all kinds of derogatory names. I have no pity for you... you damn idiot. Maybe if you apologize and then you tell me that your doctrine has changed and more in keeping with what Jesus preached then I may have pity.
We didn’t do nothing Rajk. Who told you we did nothing? The media published about them many time over the past 20 years.
https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/report-into-kwasizabantu-mission-written-20-years-ago-warns-of-cult-like-behaviour-20201001
PS: What is it with you kicking people when they are down? It’s so contrary to the teachings of Christ that you always seem to harp about.