Dependencies for 'Chrisitan' salvation

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ok according to Luke, one of the thieves made it to Heaven. If you read Luke's account, why do you think he made it to Heaven? Tell me honestly.

Who knows? I offered you a theory earlier - and did so "honestly" - but you ignored it.

Originally posted by FMF
Who knows? I offered you a theory earlier - and did so "honestly" - but you ignored it.

So your theory of why the thief was saved is "who knows"? Ok good for you.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
And what does Luke's account tell you? Do you accept Luke's account as it is?

Luke's account is of two common criminals mocking a man who was being executed for claiming to be God. Luke is involved in trying to establish a breakaway religion based on the personhood and purported significance of Jesus.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So your theory of why the thief was saved is "who knows"? Ok good for you.

I offered you a theory earlier but you ignored it. I reminded you of this just now and you ignored it again.

Originally posted by FMF
Luke's account is of two common criminals mocking a man who was being executed for claiming to be God. Luke is involved in trying to establish a breakaway religion based on the personhood and purported significance of Jesus.

Ah ok now I get you. Thanks for clearing up your agenda.

Originally posted by FMF
I offered you a theory earlier but you ignored it. I reminded you of this just now and you ignored it again.

I actually responded to it I didn't ignore it. If you want to believe the penitent thief was mocking Jesus when he reprimanded the the other thief you are welcome to do so. I don't. It is evident that he was pleading for mercy. I also understand that it bugs you to see a repentant heart. I totally get that.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ah ok now I get you. Thanks for clearing up your agenda.

You have your agenda too. Your agenda involves you - or perhaps compels you - to make up stuff about the account of the incident provided by Mark and Matthew. Those Gospels simply do not substantiate the ideology your own agenda makes you want to superimpose onto the story.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ah ok now I get you. Thanks for clearing up your agenda.

Tell me about the thief's "faith". You mean he said some words?

Originally posted by FMF
You have your agenda too. Your agenda involves you - or perhaps compels you - to make up stuff about the account of the incident provided by Mark and Matthew. Those Gospels simply do not substantiate the ideology your own agenda makes you want to superimpose onto the story.

Luke's account clearly portrays a penitent thief, whether you want to believe it or not.

Originally posted by FMF
Tell me about the thief's "faith". You mean he said some words?

When he asked Jesus to remember him when he entered his kingdom he clearly had faith that Jesus was Devine and could save him.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Luke's account clearly portrays a penitent thief, whether you want to believe it or not.

Luke account clearly portrays Jesus being mocked and this is corroborated by Mark and Matthew.

Originally posted by FMF
Luke account clearly portrays Jesus being mocked and this is corroborated by Mark and Matthew.

Yes by one of the thieves. The penitent thief clearly reprimanded the other thief and pleaded for mercy.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
When he asked Jesus to remember him when he entered his kingdom he clearly had faith that Jesus was Devine and could save him.

Taunting Jesus about "his kingdom" as he was being put to death for claiming he was God is mockery. Mark and Matthew saw it for what it was. Only your agenda is stopping you from seeing it too.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Yes by one of the thieves. The penitent thief clearly reprimanded the other thief and pleaded for mercy.

It was clearly mockery as Mark and Matthew indicate.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You asked specific questions about peoples works and righteousness and if these specific people will be in the Kingdom. These are pointless questions .. and you keep doing it.

I you want to discuss the doctrine of Christ and the Aposltes Im in but foolish questions and repeating these over and over is a turn off.

You brought up people's works, why wouldn't that than become a topic? If you are going
to provide a check list on what needs done, don't you think going over that check list in
the only guy we know was saved matter? As near as I can tell, he confessed with his mouth
and believed in his heart, but he did not do anything on your list. Simply believing is a work
too according to scripture.

John 6:29
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”