With all the Christians here complaining about each and every single thought experiment here as being a "ploy" and thus, refusing to answer the question, let me ask: how often do the atheists here do this?
Ever notice that no matter how many idiotic posts RJ Hinds makes about evolution--- Youtube links to people making horrible arguments, rehashing well-refuted arguments, etc.;---that atheists STILL answer questions about them?
Simply put: on this forum, how often do atheists refuse to answer simple questions from theists? And secondly, if atheists do refuse to answer questions, is it anywhere near as often as Christians?
Lastly, are there ANY questions you theists believe atheists are too afraid too answer? If so, what are they?
Originally posted by vivifyI dont think it matters whether one is an atheist or a christian, either an argument is logical, rational and reasonable or its not. People have their own perspectives, R J Hinds included.
With all the Christians here complaining about each and every single thought experiment here as being a "ploy" and thus, refusing to answer the question, let me ask: how often do the atheists here do this?
Ever notice that no matter how many idiotic posts RJ Hinds makes about evolution--- Youtube links to people making horrible arguments, rehashing well-re ...[text shortened]... ere ANY questions you theists believe atheists are too afraid too answer? If so, what are they?
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Originally posted by vivifyYes.............here is my question.
With all the Christians here complaining about each and every single thought experiment here as being a "ploy" and thus, refusing to answer the question, let me ask: how often do the atheists here do this?
Ever notice that no matter how many idiotic posts RJ Hinds makes about evolution--- Youtube links to people making horrible arguments, rehashing well-re ...[text shortened]... ere ANY questions you theists believe atheists are too afraid too answer? If so, what are they?
Like begets like (apples from apple trees and kittens from cats etc)
Like-wise consciousness begets consciousnesses.
God is the Supreme Consciousness which is the (cause of all causes) and the source of all consciousness.
Tell us all in this forum where consciousness and mind come from?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieCan you think of ONE question in the entire time you've been at RHP that atheists here collectively refused to answer?
I dont think it matters whether one is an atheist or a christian, either an argument is logical, rational and reasonable or its not. People have their own perspectives, R J Hinds included.
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Originally posted by DasaKittens come from cats.
Yes.............here is my question.
Like begets like (apples from apple trees and kittens from cats etc)
Like-wise consciousness begets consciousnesses.
God is the Supreme Consciousness which is the (cause of all causes) and the source of all consciousness.
Tell us all in this forum where consciousness and mind come from?
But not all kittens are alike, in fact they are all subtly [or not so subtly] different from one another,
and from their parents.
The offspring of those kittens [now cats] will be different again.
The parents of the cats that 'begat' the first kittens in our story were different again.
Over many generations as one goes back in time, those tiny differences add up and so the creatures now
are significantly different from the creatures then.
As you go further and further back in time the differences get larger and larger until what you have is a
completely different species than modern day cats.
This is evolution at work, slowly adapting and optimising creatures to ever changing environments and
thus slowly changing their forms to create new species and diversity.
'Minds' and 'Consciousness' are not yet fully understood consequences of huge and intricate networks
of nerve cells [neurons] that work together to control the behaviour of complex organisms.
Those modern large complex networks have their ancestors in smaller simpler networks, which have their
ancestors in even smaller and simpler networks... Eventually going back to the first simple nerve clusters
of a few cells. [as well as other even 'simpler' messaging systems]
And we can see examples of every stage in both the fossil record and in creatures living still today with
body plans and designs that stem from an earlier time and are basically unchanged since then.
All of this evolved.
I know you will never understand or accept this, but it's been proven beyond any and all reasonable doubt
for those willing to look. The fact that you do not accept this answer does not mean that we don't have an
answer, or that it is wrong.
Questions asked and answered.
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Originally posted by googlefudgeNo no no no.................In truth apples have always come from apple trees>Sir
Kittens come from cats.
But not all kittens are alike, in fact they are all subtly [or not so subtly] different from one another,
and from their parents.
The offspring of those kittens [now cats] will be different again.
The parents of the cats that 'begat' the first kittens in our story were different again.
Over many generations as one go ...[text shortened]... s not mean that we don't have an
answer, or that it is wrong.
Questions asked and answered.
You have cleverly side stepped the question.
We know nerves exist.............they are just pathways.
Nerves are not consciousness or mind. (stop talking about nerves please.)
AND AGAIN.................Where does consciousness and mind come from?
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Originally posted by DasaYou don't know that YOUR god is the source of this"consciousness". That's where your whole argument falls apart.
Yes.............here is my question.
Like begets like (apples from apple trees and kittens from cats etc)
Like-wise consciousness begets consciousnesses.
God is the Supreme Consciousness which is the (cause of all causes) and the source of all consciousness.
Tell us all in this forum where consciousness and mind come from?
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Originally posted by DasaDenying the truth wont change it.
No no no no.................In truth apples have always come from apple trees>Sir
You have cleverly side stepped the question.
We know nerves exist.............they are just pathways.
Nerves are not consciousness or mind. (stop talking about nerves please.)
AND AGAIN.................Where does consciousness and mind come from?
Evolution is real, verified, fact.
I didn't sidestep the question, I corrected your factual mistakes.
What you claim is not fact, but fiction.
I will talk about whatever I want to talk about, with or without your 'permission'.
In this case you asked about minds and consciousness which are emergent phenomena
of the interactions of large numbers of neurons [specialist nerve cells] under the right conditions.
[although they may be possible under different circumstances, as they might also be possible
to create on a sufficiently enabled computer]
Therefore talking about nerve cells is entirely appropriate, and necessary.
You are also rude and dishonest, as well as an advocator of genocide and a generally
deeply unpleasant excuse for a human being.
I consistently hope you get permanently banned.
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Originally posted by googlefudgeSo even though you think this idea completely falls apart at every point, you still answered the question? Is almost like you're not afraid to put your beliefs up to scrutiny.
No, it falls apart WAY before you get there.
It just ALSO falls apart at that point.
Originally posted by vivifyDid he actually answer the question? I don't see an actual answer. Maybe he IS afraid. Maybe it IS a 'ploy'.
So even though you think this idea completely falls apart at every point, you still answered the question? Is almost like you're not afraid to put your beliefs up to scrutiny.
"What you claim is not fact, but fiction." is not an answer, but it sounds amazingly familiar.
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Originally posted by DasaMany of the questions asked by you are deeper than the average discussion on this forum. Nobody should expect the average non-theist to be able to cover the topic in this adversarial format. If you really want a metaphysical, philosophical answer to which you can make a belief-commitment, do your own research. I suggest a Google search on these words, without parentheses:
No no no no.................In truth apples have always come from apple trees>Sir
You have cleverly side stepped the question.
We know nerves exist.............they are just pathways.
Nerves are not consciousness or mind. (stop talking about nerves please.)
AND AGAIN.................Where does consciousness and mind come from?
consciousness mind emergent
And look at "scholarly articles" and other academic discussions of emergentism
And you will be able to bring yourself up to date with one of the major non-theistic theories.
There is a problem inherent in this discussion.
It is a difference in our idea of what makes a "reply" an "answer."
Science will never deliver an answer that satisfies the spiritual world's idea of what an answer is. (As "spiritual" is meant on this forum, which is to say, "religious.)" Science is always provisional and incomplete, and any answer it gives, leads to further questions. Religion gives complete answers, which the science-minded take as evidence of its falsity.
Like my child can keep asking "why is that" to any answer I give.
IS my reply an answer?