Doubt good, certainty bad

Originally posted by FMF
Do you seriously believe I have no more spiritual content than "a stone"?

Dasa never went that far. He always restricted his spiritual smackdown analogies to living things like cockroaches, dogs, rats.

please answer the question, do your assertions have merit or do they not, if they do,
from where does the merit derive its validation? My statement with regard to a stone,
was attempting to describe the relationship between spirituality and philosophy, for one
can philosophise but be absolutely deviod of spirituality.

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I dislike your deceptive attempts to portray our organisation in a bad light by partially
quoting articles without reading them, who wouldn't, its a form of misrepresentation, as
for you personally, i dont know you well enough to hate you, in fact, i dont think i hate
anyone really.

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where did you glean your quotation from, third time asking?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
please answer the question, do your assertions have merit or do they not, if they do,
from where does the merit derive its validation? My statement with regard to a stone,
was attempting to describe the relationship between spirituality and philosophy, for one
can philosophise but be absolutely deviod of spirituality.

My spiritual path is what it is. My behaviour and actions, rooted in it are sincere and as consistent as I can make them. You may spend time thinking about - and talking ostentatiously on this forum about - the "merit" of you personally saving people from dilemmas and claiming unilaterally that what you do is "certified" in a way that others actions are not. I do not go in for the self-congratulatory thing that you do. That's why, unlike you, I have very rarely talked about what 'good works' I may or may not do in my 'real' life. I do not seek your endorsement, with your evaluations and pronouncements of there being "merit" or otherwise.

Originally posted by FMF
My spiritual path is what it is. My behaviour and actions, rooted in it are sincere and as consistent as I can make them. You may spend time thinking about - and talking ostentatiously on this forum about - the "merit" of you personally saving people from dilemmas and claiming unilaterally that what you do is "certified" in away that others actions are not. I do sement, with your evaluations and pronouncements of there being "merit" or otherwise.

yet you still have not answered the question FMF, nor could you, for to do so would be
to admit that the merit of your assertions derives from self, wouldn't it and this in turn
would validate my assertion of self certificate. Its no shame to admit that they are
simply the product of the evaluation of our own mind, is it? indeed to some this is a
noble and virtuous thing, but we Christians are not heralds of our own message, we
have originated nothing with regard to our own spirituality and are content to pass on
the things we have learned from scripture knowing that in their application there is
wisdom, and yet examining all things to see how they relate to our understanding of
the Christ. Simply because there is a difference between philosophy and spirituality
does not make us unreasoning nor incapable of independent thought, as has been
asserted.

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via an ex JW website

ahh yes, the disgruntled ex witness, that most unbiased and objective of sources, LOL,
surely they will have lots of positive things to tell about us, pity for them,

(2 Peter 2:21-22) 21 For it would have been better for them not to have accurately
known the path of righteousness than after knowing it accurately to turn away from the
holy commandment delivered to them.  The saying of the true proverb has happened
to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling
in the mire.”

the article is pure awesomeness, deeply spiritual and very balanced.

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well given time i might come to hate you, but i doubt it, but ill try if you want.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yet you still have not answered the question FMF, nor could you, for to do so would be
to admit that the merit of your assertions derives from self, wouldn't it and this in turn
would validate my assertion of self certificate. Its no shame to admit that they are
simply the product of the evaluation of our own mind, is it? indeed to some this i ...[text shortened]... ty
does not make us unreasoning nor incapable of independent thought, as has been
asserted.

I will not join you in your self-congratulatory posturing. If "merit" is not the prism through which I see myself and my spiritual path, and my actions and treatment of others, then I surely have no need to convince you of their "merit". Go ahead, tell us about all the things you have personally helped others to overcome, the "all manner of ill", from prostitution to drug abuse, to overcome addictions and horrendous circumstances and how you helped to free themselves from the influence of gangs and criminality. Be ostentatious about it, by all means. I think you need to feel the "validation" that trumpeting what you do, gives you. I do not need or seek such validation.

Originally posted by FMF
I will not join you in your self-congratulatory posturing. If "merit" is not the prism through which I see myself and my spiritual path, and my actions and treatment of others, then I surely have no need to convince you of their "merit". Go ahead, tell us about all the things you have personally helped others to overcome, the "all manner of ill", from prostituti lidation" that trumpeting what you do, gives you. I do not need or seek such validation.

so now you are content to accuse me of egotism because i seek to demonstrate the
efficacy of our teaching in tangible terms. Is this a product of your spiritual mind
map? Its rather interesting from my perspective, for Christ himself was faced with a
similar situation, in which he stated that even if his opposer's did not believe that he had
authority from God, they should believe on account of the works that he did, but alas, it
was to no avail! I will refrain from returning the favour, for it seems to me that I have
stated my position adequately.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so now you are content to accuse me of egotism because i seek to demonstrate the
efficacy of our teaching in tangible terms. Is this a product of your spiritual mind
map? Its rather interesting from my perspective, for Christ himself was faced with a
similar situation, in which he stated that even if his opposer's did not believe that he had ...[text shortened]... rain from returning the favour, for it seems to me that I have
stated my position adequately.

No one is stopping you from talking about the "merit" of your own good works, over and over and over and over again.

Originally posted by FMF
No one is stopping you from talking about the "merit" of your own good works, over and over and over and over again.

LOL, i agree, we are rather awesome.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
LOL, i agree, we are rather awesome.

I could think of many words to describe you, awesome would definitely not be one of them.