Welsh Invader,
Let's say you still have a question on Micah 5:2. This is not the only verse on the matter of Christ's incarnation. Even if you put that aside, you still have the child born to us is the Mighty God (Who is of course from eternity) and the Son given to us is called "Eternal Father".
See Isaiah 9:6. The child is the Mighty God and the Son is the manifestation of the Eternal Father.
Essentially, you have God going forth then, out of eternity and into time.
My God is the man Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by sonshipThe issue began as people change what is writen in the Bible
[b] It says Jesus IS FROM ANCIANT DAYS NOT FROM EVERLASTING
I'll look more into the original Hebrew.
Is this your strongest reason for not believing in a Trinity ?[/b]
Its late here in Heaven and so can we continue tomorow
Thanks
Originally posted by Welsh invaderIt has become clear to me that Welsh invader needs serious psychiatric help for his/her mental disorders. I hope he/she is able to get it before it becomes too late.
RJHinds
is full of rubbish
The KJV does not say what he wants it to say
AMENπ
The Near Genius π
John Nelson Darby who translated from Hebrew to English wrote this comment on Micah 5:2 in his 5 volume synopsis of the Bible.
Mic 5:2 describes Him in a striking manner. It was on this Verse that the scribes and chief priests rested, when they certified Herod that Christ should be born in Bethlehem. It represents Him as being born at Bethlehem, and at the same time as eternal, and as the true Ruler in Israel. The second Verse (Mic 5:2) is in parenthesis. It declares the birthplace, whence He that should rule over Israel for Jehovah should go forth; and, at the same time, it reveals the eternal glory of His Person.
CARM (Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry) has this comment on the Micah verse.
There are a number of important aspects of this text. First, Ephrathah is simply the older form of Bethlehem in this passage (cf. Genesis 35:16, 19, 48:7).[2] Second, linguistically a case can be made for showing a strong affinity between this figure and God. Qedem, the Hebrew word for old, means from “ancient times,” and it is used of God Himself elsewhere in the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 33:27, Habakkuk 1:12). Further, mee mai-oulom literally means from “ancient time or eternity.”[3] One can also translate it as “days of immeasurable time.”[4] Robert Jamieson notes, “The terms convey the strongest assertion of infinite duration of which the Hebrew language is capable.”[5] There are other references in Scripture where this phraseology is used as in Psalm 90:2 where the reference is to God the Father and in Proverbs 8:22-23 where the voice of Wisdom speaks. “Old” and “ancient times” can refer to eternity. The Hebrew word for ancient times is used in Micah 4:7 to refer to God. Ankerberg, Weldon, and Kaiser point out, “The fact that such terms were used of a future ruler indicates that Micah expected a supernatural figure. This harmonizes with Isaiah’s expectation of the Messiah in Isaiah 9:6 where the future Messianic King is called ‘eternal’ and ‘God’ (El), a word Isaiah uses only of God.”[6]
Originally posted by RJHindsI'm out of here
It has become clear to me that Welsh invader needs serious psychiatric help for his/her mental disorders. I hope he/she is able to get it before it becomes too late.
The Near Genius π
What an idiot you are
I have never ever met anyone/anything so full of crap like you/it in all my life
Originally posted by sonshipI guess I just can't help it. I tried to help him by looking up the KJV a couple times to make sure it was quoted right. I even quoted from the internet and gave him the reference so he could go there and check it out. What am I to do, if he acts like he is crazy?
RJ, the Lord said to go and [b] compel them, not go and repel them.[/b]
One day Jesus was having a chat with some jews and they started chucking stones at him
Jesus ran away as he was scared, his last words to the jews was I AM
IM what
(a) I AM running for my life
(b) I am going to the toilet
(c) I am God
Dont pick (c) as God would not run away like a coward.
Dont pick (b) as there were no Toilets near
Try (a) I am running for my life as thats what Jesus did he ran and hid.
Originally posted by Welsh invaderWhat? No magic deflections of the stones, dropping to the ground at his feet to show he was a magic dude?
One day Jesus was having a chat with some jews and they started chucking stones at him
Jesus ran away as he was scared, his last words to the jews was I AM
IM what
(a) I AM running for my life
(b) I am going to the toilet
(c) I am God
Dont pick (c) as God would not run away like a coward.
Dont pick (b) as there were no Toilets near
Try (a) I am running for my life as thats what Jesus did he ran and hid.
Originally posted by Welsh invaderWhat is your reference for this supposedly true story? Or is this something you pulled out of your ass?
One day Jesus was having a chat with some jews and they started chucking stones at him
Jesus ran away as he was scared, his last words to the jews was I AM
IM what
(a) I AM running for my life
(b) I am going to the toilet
(c) I am God
Dont pick (c) as God would not run away like a coward.
Dont pick (b) as there were no Toilets near
Try (a) I am running for my life as thats what Jesus did he ran and hid.