Originally posted by KellyJayIt's not a warnng, it's a threat. If i said to you - 'Kelly, I'm inviting you round for dinner tonight for a few drinks and a game of chess or two.' - that's perfectly sound and reasonable. If I then added the caveat - 'Failure to turn up wil result in me hunting you down and torturing you' - you'd now think I was a madman and a monster.
It is a warning, because there is danger there! Would you compain if
you saw a sign that said, danger posion don't drink? Warnings are there
for protection, not to threaten.
Kelly
Originally posted by Proper KnobI don't see it that way, Adam and Eve were warned, they were the only
It's not a warnng, it's a threat. If i said to you - 'Kelly, I'm inviting you round for dinner tonight for a few drinks and a game of chess or two.' - that's perfectly sound and reasonable. If I then added the caveat - 'Failure to turn up wil result in me hunting you down and torturing you' - you'd now think I was a madman and a monster.
ones that had a choice without a sin nature around their necks, they choose
poorly.
We are now all drowning in our sin, and we have someone attempting to
pull us out, that is Jesus. The end is certain, with us we are in sin, the price
for that is high. Salvation is offered and we are warned about what is to
come.
A mad man and monster wouldn't go through the grief Jesus did to save us.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayOf course you don't see it that way. You're a fundamentalist Christian.
I don't see it that way, Adam and Eve were warned, they were the only
ones that had a choice without a sin nature around their necks, they choose
poorly.
We are now all drowning in our sin, and we have someone attempting to
pull us out, that is Jesus. The end is certain, with us we are in sin, the price
for that is high. Salvation is offered and we a ...[text shortened]... is to
come.
A mad man and monster wouldn't go through the grief Jesus did to save us.
Kelly
Here's a question for you, how many people has the Biblical God been directly responsible for killing? A rough ball park figure will do.
Originally posted by KellyJayIn the here and now, and when you die, you have no "cost" to pay for your "sins" [which you admit to and have told me about] except for the sorrow or "guilt" [?] you feel about someone who was executed by the Romans approximately 1,985 years ago, have I understood you right?
Jesus paid the cost, it is there for it, but not everyone accepts that payment.
Not everyone turns to Jesus.
Some like their deeds just the way they are thank you very much, and do not
see the need or care to change.
Kelly
Originally posted by FMFThere is NOTHING I can do to pay for my sins, there is no work, no plea,
In the here and now, and when you die, you have no "cost" to pay for your "sins" [which you admit to and have told me about] except for the sorrow or "guilt" [?] you feel about someone who was executed by the Romans approximately 1,985 years ago, have I understood you right?
I can bring nothing to God that would cause God to accept payment for my
sins. I go to Jesus who took it all upon Himself, who I owe all too.
Kelly