"Eternal Torture" persuasion & genuine "love"

Originally posted by KellyJay
The devil and his angels, and also those that joined him as he is the god of
this world. That is god with a little "g".
Kelly

So there will be no humans in hell?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Why?
Kelly

Because it's interesting.

Originally posted by KellyJay
It is a warning, because there is danger there! Would you compain if
you saw a sign that said, danger posion don't drink? Warnings are there
for protection, not to threaten.
Kelly

It's not a warnng, it's a threat. If i said to you - 'Kelly, I'm inviting you round for dinner tonight for a few drinks and a game of chess or two.' - that's perfectly sound and reasonable. If I then added the caveat - 'Failure to turn up wil result in me hunting you down and torturing you' - you'd now think I was a madman and a monster.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
It's not a warnng, it's a threat. If i said to you - 'Kelly, I'm inviting you round for dinner tonight for a few drinks and a game of chess or two.' - that's perfectly sound and reasonable. If I then added the caveat - 'Failure to turn up wil result in me hunting you down and torturing you' - you'd now think I was a madman and a monster.

I don't see it that way, Adam and Eve were warned, they were the only
ones that had a choice without a sin nature around their necks, they choose
poorly.

We are now all drowning in our sin, and we have someone attempting to
pull us out, that is Jesus. The end is certain, with us we are in sin, the price
for that is high. Salvation is offered and we are warned about what is to
come.

A mad man and monster wouldn't go through the grief Jesus did to save us.
Kelly

Originally posted by divegeester
So there will be no humans in hell?

Where did you see me say that? We are in Satan's kingdom unless we repent
and turn to God. I thought you understood Christian beliefs?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Where did you see me say that? We are in Satan's kingdom unless we repent
and turn to God. I thought you understood Christian beliefs?
Kelly

FMF asked what the point of hell was.

You replied: there is a cost to sin

I asked you: how much sin was paid for at Calvary?

You replied: all of it

I asked you: so what's hell for?

You replied: for the devil etc

I asked you: so there will be no humans in hell?

It's not a difficult conversation to follow Kelly. If ALL the cost of sin was paid for at Calvary, and hell is for the devil...there will be no humans in hell.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't see it that way, Adam and Eve were warned, they were the only
ones that had a choice without a sin nature around their necks, they choose
poorly.

We are now all drowning in our sin, and we have someone attempting to
pull us out, that is Jesus. The end is certain, with us we are in sin, the price
for that is high. Salvation is offered and we a ...[text shortened]... is to
come.

A mad man and monster wouldn't go through the grief Jesus did to save us.
Kelly

Of course you don't see it that way. You're a fundamentalist Christian.

Here's a question for you, how many people has the Biblical God been directly responsible for killing? A rough ball park figure will do.

Originally posted by divegeester
FMF asked what the point of hell was.

You replied: there is a cost to sin

I asked you: how much sin was paid for at Calvary?

You replied: all of it

I asked you: so what's hell for?

You replied: for the devil etc

I asked you: so there will be no humans in hell?

It's not a difficult conversation to follow Kelly. If ALL the cost of sin was paid for at Calvary, and hell is for the devil...there will be no humans in hell.

Jesus paid the cost, it is there for it, but not everyone accepts that payment.
Not everyone turns to Jesus.
Some like their deeds just the way they are thank you very much, and do not
see the need or care to change.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Of course you don't see it that way. You're a fundamentalist Christian.

Here's a question for you, how many people has the Biblical God been directly responsible for killing? A rough ball park figure will do.

All of them.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Jesus paid the cost, it is there for it, but not everyone accepts that payment.
Not everyone turns to Jesus.
Some like their deeds just the way they are thank you very much, and do not
see the need or care to change.
Kelly

In the here and now, and when you die, you have no "cost" to pay for your "sins" [which you admit to and have told me about] except for the sorrow or "guilt" [?] you feel about someone who was executed by the Romans approximately 1,985 years ago, have I understood you right?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Jesus paid the cost, it is there for it, but not everyone accepts that payment.
Not everyone turns to Jesus.
Some like their deeds just the way they are thank you very much, and do not
see the need or care to change.
Kelly

Kelly said - "Not everyone accepts payment"

You don't know your bible Kelly. To whom was the the debt owed? The debt is owed to God not to humans. God saw Jesus sacrifice as perfect. So I ask you again:

Why will there be humans in hell?

Originally posted by FMF
In the here and now, and when you die, you have no "cost" to pay for your "sins" [which you admit to and have told me about] except for the sorrow or "guilt" [?] you feel about someone who was executed by the Romans approximately 1,985 years ago, have I understood you right?

There is NOTHING I can do to pay for my sins, there is no work, no plea,
I can bring nothing to God that would cause God to accept payment for my
sins. I go to Jesus who took it all upon Himself, who I owe all too.
Kelly

Originally posted by divegeester
Kelly said - "Not everyone accepts payment"

You don't know your bible Kelly. To whom was the the debt owed? The debt is owed to God not to humans. God saw Jesus sacrifice as perfect. So I ask you again:

Why will there be humans in hell?

Study scripture for yourself!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Study scripture for yourself!
Kelly

So you are unable to answer?

Originally posted by divegeester
So you are unable to answer?

No, just don't care to talk to you about it.
Kelly

Edit:
Sorry divegeester, I was being an A$$