"Eternal Torture" persuasion & genuine "love"

Originally posted by KellyJay
No, just don't care to talk to you about it.
Kelly

There's some good ol' Christian love.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
There's some good ol' Christian love.

Yea, more than likely not one of my better statements, but truthful.
Kelly

Originally posted by divegeester
FMF asked what the point of hell was.

You replied: there is a cost to sin

I asked you: how much sin was paid for at Calvary?

You replied: all of it

I asked you: so what's hell for?

You replied: for the devil etc

I asked you: so there will be no humans in hell?

It's not a difficult conversation to follow Kelly. If ALL the cost of sin was paid for at Calvary, and hell is for the devil...there will be no humans in hell.

You continue to make the same fundamental mistake over and over and over. Rather that spout your own false doctrine try reading the Bible:

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? (Hebrews 10:26-29 KJV)


Did you read it? In a nutshell

IF YOU SIN AFTER YOU RECEIVE CHRIST .. NO MORE GRACE.

Yes Christians will sin and they then rely on repentance and forgiveness from Christ. They have used up their grace. Grace wipes the slate clean and gives a believer a fresh start but you cannot continue on in sin believing that Christ death will pay for all your future sins. Thinking that you can is 'bull .. that is what you Brits call 'TOSH'.

YES some Christians will go to hell, wherever and whatever that is. They will be punished, destroyed, wiped out, annihilated, thrown in the lake of fire.

Originally posted by FMF
So why is this element/belief present in Christian theology? It strikes me as being a human invention ~ a product of superstitious imagination. What is "divine" about it to you if you admit that it could not work?

Because sometimes people act out of fear. If people turned away from God because they are frightened of some other power, that implies the other power is greater than God. A religion like that would be overwhelmed by worshippers of a scary god like Baron Samedi, or Mars, or Kali, or Huitzilopotchtli.

Originally posted by KellyJay
No, just don't care to talk to you about it.
Kelly

Edit:
Sorry divegeester, I was being an A$$

No need to apologise and I don't think you were being an ass; just avoiding answering the question, to which you admitted.

Originally posted by divegeester
No need to apologise and I don't think you were being an ass; just avoiding answering the question, to which you admitted.

No, I got a bad attitude towards you, you'll get an answer. Again, my bad.
Kelly

Originally posted by divegeester
Kelly said - "Not everyone accepts payment"

You don't know your bible Kelly. To whom was the the debt owed? The debt is owed to God not to humans. God saw Jesus sacrifice as perfect. So I ask you again:

Why will there be humans in hell?

The debt was owed to God, Jesus paid it for us and God; however, we can
reject Jesus' gift. A gift cannot be earned, but it can be rejected.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
The debt was owed to God, Jesus paid it for us and God; however, we can
reject Jesus' gift. A gift cannot be earned, but it can be rejected.
Kelly

What debt? How much was it?

I must have been wasted because I don't remember borrowing from any deity.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You continue to make the same fundamental mistake over and over and over. Rather that spout your own false doctrine try reading the Bible:

[i]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth [b]no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall dev ...[text shortened]... r that is. They will be punished, destroyed, wiped out, annihilated, thrown in the lake of fire.[/b]

"No more grace if a person sins after Christ"

Really? Have you ever sinned since receiving Christ?

Originally posted by KellyJay
The debt was owed to God, Jesus paid it for us and God; however, we can
reject Jesus' gift. A gift cannot be earned, but it can be rejected.
Kelly

One man died once and for ALL - 1 Peter 3:18. The debt was owed to god, was received as acceptable and was paid paid in full - we agree.

What is the "gift" you speak of then, why would reflecting a gift nullify a debt that was paid and satisfied?

Originally posted by divegeester
One man died once and for ALL - 1 Peter 3:18. The debt was owed to god, was received as acceptable and was paid paid in full - we agree.

What is the "gift" you speak of then, why would reflecting a gift nullify a debt that was paid and satisfied?

The way was made for all of us to be saved, every single one without
exception. The was made, but not everyone will find it, or take if they do!
It is the saddest thing I can I think about, knowing that all who are going
to Hell didn't need to. There are those that that love their sin, those that
think that Jesus death and rising from the dead wasn't enough they have
to earn it still, those that think it is all a joke, those that are self righteous,
and so on.
Kelly

Originally posted by divegeester
"No more grace if a person sins after Christ"

Really? Have you ever sinned since receiving Christ?

What the Bible says has nothing to do with me or you.

You are a scatter brain. Focus on what the Bible says.

Originally posted by Rajk999
What the Bible says has nothing to do with me or you.

You are a scatter brain. Focus on what the Bible says.

Thanks, I do.

Originally posted by KellyJay
The way was made for all of us to be saved, every single one without
exception. The was made, but not everyone will find it, or take if they do!
It is the saddest thing I can I think about, knowing that all who are going
to Hell didn't need to. There are those that that love their sin, those that
think that Jesus death and rising from the dead wasn't en ...[text shortened]... n it still, those that think it is all a joke, those that are self righteous,
and so on.
Kelly

This is just more vague platitudes - pleasant as they are.

you don't have to address the question if you don't want to - just say so.

Originally posted by KellyJay
It is the saddest thing I can I think about, knowing that all who are going
to Hell didn't need to.

For things we imagine to make us sad sometimes is a part of the human condition. But I would say that finding something in your imagination to be "the saddest thing [that one] can think about", to me, is the human spirit misdirected and its capacity possibly being squandered.