08 Sep 14
Originally posted by SuzianneThe "eternal torture" being referred to is his belief that people will be tortured forever in burning agony for their "sins" and for being unbelievers. You must surely be aware of this as you have on occasion tackled the likes of Grampy Bobby and RJHinds and others about their belief in this punishment.
I would have to say that the only "eternal torment" I am aware of is your treatment of him in this thread and others.
08 Sep 14
Originally posted by FMFYou twist quite a bit in that head of yours. It is a matter of who does what.
Almost all the Christians here say something along the lines of "What the Bible says has nothing to do with me or you." KellyJay, josephw, whodey, Grampy Bobby come to mind but there are others.
If I am to do something, than I am responsible for my actions, if I have
no say one way or another someone else does, than it is all on them. Not
sure why this is upsetting or confusing to you, but it sure appears to be the
case.
Kelly
08 Sep 14
Originally posted by FMFVanity, seriously you are a piece of work! Hell is for sinners, those that
KellyJay insisting that the "eternal torture" he imagines is the fate of those with different beliefs from him is "vanity".
avoid Hell will do so by the only means that God has given. I've no say in
that in any way shape of form. Your 'grasp' of reality in that you simply
declare that what you say and believe is true and all others are just floating
around in their imaginations is a bit vain in my opinion, the very thing you
accuse others of doing.
I told you early on, if I'm right you have nothing to fear from me, if I am
wrong you have nothing to fear from me, reason being God is either going
to fulfill what the Word of God says or not. When it comes to believing Him
or you, I'll take Him.
Kelly
08 Sep 14
Originally posted by KellyJayYou are responsible for what you profess to believe and propagate too, KellyJay.
You twist quite a bit in that head of yours. It is a matter of who does what.
If I am to do something, than I am responsible for my actions, if I have
no say one way or another someone else does, than it is all on them. Not
sure why this is upsetting or confusing to you, but it sure appears to be the
case.
Kelly
08 Sep 14
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Originally posted by KellyJayIf you can prove the things you imagine are true ~ or offer evidence that the "eternal torture" thing has happened even to just one person in the history of humanity ~ then I will stop looking upon your insistence - that your imagination has conjured up actual "facts" that are true for me as well as you - as vanity.
Vanity, seriously you are a piece of work! Hell is for sinners, those that
avoid Hell will do so by the only means that God has given. I've no say in
that in any way shape of form. Your 'grasp' of reality in that you simply
declare that what you say and believe is true and all others are just floating
around in their imaginations is a bit vain in my opinion, the very thing you
accuse others of doing.
08 Sep 14
Originally posted by FMFReally, I believe there are 8 planets *used to be nine* moving around our
You are responsible for what you profess to believe and propagate too, KellyJay.
sun, I'm responsible for that? I'm quite the man! Truth acknowledged does
not make me responsible for that truth. I am responsible for my words and
actions, that which I do and have control over. Truth that I have no control
over I'm not responsible for making it be real, if there are warnings about
what could happen, than I'm responsible for warning others. If you are
wrong and people go to Hell because of you pushing a lie, than God will hold
you accountable for your words and actions, that which you propagate.
Kelly
08 Sep 14
Originally posted by FMFNo one is in that Lake of fire yet. One of the troubles with the word 'hell' is
If you can prove the things you imagine are true ~ or offer evidence that the "eternal torture" thing has happened even to just one person in the history of humanity ~ then I will stop looking upon your insistence - that your imagination has conjured up actual "facts" that are true for me as well as you - as vanity.
that one word is used to describe several different things. The Lake of fire
will be used when God starts putting people there, not me, God.
Kelly
08 Sep 14
Originally posted by KellyJayThis is something from your imagination. Dasa imagines we are all reincarnated. You imagine some kind of "Lake of fire will be used when God starts putting people there" in order to be tortured for eternity.
No one is in that Lake of fire yet. One of the troubles with the word 'hell' is
that one word is used to describe several different things. The Lake of fire
will be used when God starts putting people there, not me, God.
08 Sep 14
Originally posted by SuzianneDoes a parent not discipline their child when they "sin"?
This is just like atheists saying there is no sin.
If they refuse to "believe" it, they think it just doesn't exist.
I get that you don't agree with me. You don't have to call me a liar just to make your point.
Those that don't are not loving.