Evidence for God?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes, people will not hear because they were not some place someone could
tell them, or they were held back from hearing by people who didn't want
them to hear, both of those will be due to choices someone made.
Kelly

So if someone was born on Hawaii in the 13th century, it's not their fault they never got to hear or read about the message of Christ. Agree?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
are you suggesting that isolated tribes that have no contact with the outside world have done so on purpose, so they can avoid the word of god?

It really does not matter now does it, it was done.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So if someone was born on Hawaii in the 13th century, it's not their fault they never got to hear or read about the message of Christ. Agree?

And the Lord passed before him and proclaimed, “The Lord, the Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.”

(Exodus 34:6-7 NKJV)

The Instructor

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So if someone was born on Hawaii in the 13th century, it's not their fault they never got to hear or read about the message of Christ. Agree?

People die all over the world without hearing about Word, their fault or not
does not really matter, it happens. People can hear about it, and others
stand in the way, it happens.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
People die all over the world without hearing about Word, their fault or not
does not really matter, it happens. People can hear about it, and others
stand in the way, it happens.
Kelly

But they are still going to this alleged hell.

Originally posted by KellyJay
People die all over the world without hearing about Word, their fault or not
does not really matter, it happens. People can hear about it, and others
stand in the way, it happens.
Kelly

What happens to those who didn't get to hear about the 'Word'before they die?

Originally posted by sonhouse
But they are still going to this alleged hell.

More are going to Hell than not.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
What happens to those who didn't get to hear about the 'Word'before they die?

Well if they die in their sins, they will spend forever paying for them.
Which is true for everyone.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
What happens to those who didn't get to hear about the 'Word'before they die?

You should be worried about what is going to happen to your soul.

The Instructor

Originally posted by KellyJay
Well if they die in their sins, they will spend forever paying for them.
Which is true for everyone.
Kelly

But if they never got to hear about 'the Word', then they will never have even had the chance to avoid this fate. They have no opportunity to learn of the consequences of their actions. They are punished for eternity because God failed to show himself. Does that seem fair?

--- Penguin

Originally posted by Penguin
But if they never got to hear about 'the Word', then they will never have even had the chance to avoid this fate. They have no opportunity to learn of the consequences of their actions. They are punished for eternity because God failed to show himself. Does that seem fair?

--- Penguin

We believe everything God does is fair, even when we don't understand it.

The Instructor

Originally posted by KellyJay
Do you believe there is any evidence for God?


I'm not asking for evidence, I just want to know if anything is acceptable
to you!
Kelly

I do not believe there is any evidence of an omnicient, omnipotent God who is aware or concerned with my existance. I do think there is likely some force or prime mover that put existance in motion. It is not in the image of man. It did not speak to Moses. It did not mate with Mary. I believe if this force exists, man has the intellectual capability to discover it and understand it but it is most likely unlike anything within our current systems of knowledge. I do find it amazing that so many people across the planet believe in the mythology of religious dogma. It must provide great comfort for those who fear death. Belief in any religion does not automatically produce moral, ethical, compassionate people. In fact, every organized religion has at some point created great pain for others in the name of their god.

Originally posted by Phranny
I do not believe there is any evidence of an omnicient, omnipotent God who is aware or concerned with my existance. I do think there is likely some force or prime mover that put existance in motion. It is not in the image of man. It did not speak to Moses. It did not mate with Mary. I believe if this force exists, man has the intellectual capability to ...[text shortened]... ery organized religion has at some point created great pain for others in the name of their god.

It is written in the Holy Bible that "the heavens declare the glory of God" etc., etc, etc. But to understand this one must first realize the heavens were created by God.

You believe the scientists who tell you about the awesome power of our Sun that gives us heat energy even at such a great distance. By using logic and reason, we conclude that Who or whatever caused the Sun must have been more powerful than the Sun.

Scientists also tell us that there are larger and more powerful sources of energy that we call stars thoughout the universe and all of this had a beginning. So from this we can conclude that Who or whatever caused the universe to begin must be even more powerful and, as far as we are able to determine, must be all-powerful or omnipotent. In religion, we often use the term "God" for the cause that began the universe. Scientist use the the term "Singularity" or "Big Bang" instead.

Scientists will admit to the appearance of design in nature, but most will not admit to a designer. Some scientists today believe that this complexity and design is best explained by an Intelligent Designer. The religious person believes this Intelligent Designer must have all knowledge in the universe to be able to cause it to form and hold together in the way it does. They use the terms "omnicient" and "omnipotent" to describe this all-knowing and all-powerful Designer.

Many scientist believe that the location of the earth and many other factors make it appear to be fine-tuned for the existence of life, including mankind. Of all the complex designed creatures on earth we believe we are the only creature able to understand this. So we believe this Intelligent Designer must care about all that was made and designed us for a purpose as is revealed in the Holy Bible.

So I think it is just a matter of what point of view one looks at it.

The Instructor

Originally posted by KellyJay
Well if they die in their sins, they will spend forever paying for them.
Which is true for everyone.
Kelly

I see. So everyone who died on Hawaii before 1820 went to hell, regardless of how good a person they were because Christian missionaries had yet to make it to the islands. How insanely cruel.

Originally posted by Penguin
But if they never got to hear about 'the Word', then they will never have even had the chance to avoid this fate. They have no opportunity to learn of the consequences of their actions. They are punished for eternity because God failed to show himself. Does that seem fair?

--- Penguin

They are going to be punished for the sins they did, which all have done.
Kelly