Evidence for God?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I see. So everyone who died on Hawaii before 1820 went to hell, regardless of how good a person they were because Christian missionaries had yet to make it to the islands. How insanely cruel.

No, sin is the only reason anyone is going to be punished.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
No, sin is the only reason anyone is going to be punished.
Kelly

Did the people on Hawaii prior to 1820 get a chance to be forgiven for their sins, like Christians do?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Well if they die in their sins, they will spend forever paying for them.
Which is true for everyone.
Kelly

For your own sake I hope you never reach a point where you are capable of casting a more rational glance upon the things you have said thus far.

I fear the embarrassment would be too much for you 🙁

Originally posted by KellyJay
No, sin is the only reason anyone is going to be punished.
Kelly

Yes, and prior to 1820 no one on the islands of Hawaii had a chance to be forgiven for their sins because the message of forgiveness was yet to get there. Does that seem fair to you?

Originally posted by KellyJay
No, sin is the only reason anyone is going to be punished.
Kelly

lets say we have a tribe who have no outside human contact. they never hear the word of god and worship their own gods. they regularly make human sacrifices as they think the sacrifice becomes a god and lives in paradise. will god forgive them for murder because they knew no better?

Originally posted by Agerg
For your own sake I hope you never reach a point where you are capable of casting a more rational glance upon the things you have said thus far.

I fear the embarrassment would be too much for you 🙁

I'm not giving you what I'd like to see happen which is everyone get saved
and all live forever in heaven, I'm telling you what I believe the truth is
according to scripture. That is that the road to be saved is very narrow and
only a few will find it compared to those that do not.

It is Jesus Christ or not, because He is the Way, the Truth, and the Light
no one comes to the Father except through Him.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Yes, and prior to 1820 no one on the islands of Hawaii had a chance to be forgiven for their sins because the message of forgiveness was yet to get there. Does that seem fair to you?

Fair has nothing to do with it.
Kelly

Originally posted by stellspalfie
lets say we have a tribe who have no outside human contact. they never hear the word of god and worship their own gods. they regularly make human sacrifices as they think the sacrifice becomes a god and lives in paradise. will god forgive them for murder because they knew no better?

Everyone will stand before God and given account of their lives, from the
words we say to our actions. For you, me, everyone as I have pointed
out to you there is only one way which is Jesus Christ where we can be
saved. If I were you and others here, I'd be more concern about those that
hear about God's gift to man to be saved and reject it than those that who
have never heard about Christ. I'm sure God will do right by all, but that
does not at all mean that we will like that result.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Do you believe there is any evidence for God?


I'm not asking for evidence, I just want to know if anything is acceptable
to you!
Kelly

I think that the evidence is the makeup of the world. It is unfortunately not conclusive evidence. The balance of the stuff we are made of, indicates intelligence. It is one thing to say energy or stuff appeared out of nowhere, but another to say the stuff that came from nowhere has exact properties and rules they must adhere to. Just the balance of the natural laws for life as we know it to exist is compelling. Who god is is another question. Getting to your question though, I have a gut feeling that it may be provable if we had a little more understanding of the dimensions we can not see yet. I would accept proof.

Originally posted by joe beyser
Just the balance of the natural laws for life as we know it to exist is compelling. Who god is is another question.

So are you saying that if some universal constants were different that would be an argument in support of there being no gods?

Originally posted by wolfgang59
So are you saying that if some universal constants were different that would be an argument in support of there being no gods?

No I am saying that the existence of universal constants is evidence. The fact that the constants allow for conscious life to exist reenforces the notion of a god.

Originally posted by joe beyser
No I am saying that the existence of universal constants is evidence. The fact that the constants allow for conscious life to exist reenforces the notion of a god.

So you imagine the universe has been designed for us?

... imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an
interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits
me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact, it fits me staggeringly well, must
have been made to have me in it!'
Douglas Adams

Originally posted by KellyJay
Do you believe there is any evidence for God?


I'm not asking for evidence, I just want to know if anything is acceptable
to you!
Kelly

Learned to play chess at the age of nine (thanks to a kind Swedish Uncle who worked as an engineer at MIT in Cambridge, MA.); at about the same time realizing that the scheme of things around and within me, telescopic and microscopic, demanded a source of design and maintenance, an ultimate authority and first cause. God Consciousness intensified.

Note: Later in academic circles I made close friends with atheist students who openly stated how alone and vertically untethered their lives seemed. To this day, they represent the Gold Standard of candid intellectual honesty for me.

Originally posted by Agerg
For your own sake I hope you never reach a point where you are capable of casting a more rational glance upon the things you have said thus far.

I fear the embarrassment would be too much for you 🙁

For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

(Romans 10:11 KJV)

The Instructor

Originally posted by stellspalfie
lets say we have a tribe who have no outside human contact. they never hear the word of god and worship their own gods. they regularly make human sacrifices as they think the sacrifice becomes a god and lives in paradise. will god forgive them for murder because they knew no better?

Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

(Romans 9:21-24 NKJV)

The Instructor